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    My experience is that if a certain proportion is significantly higher than the average spreadsheet amounts for your majority ethnicity, it's likely real. Check your one-to-many to see if there are any full-blooded Indian matches (ie. people with Indian names who score little or no European on calculators).
    Ethnogene (most accurate so far IMO): Frisian 2.8%, Scottish 19.2%, Welsh 2.4%, English 29.0%, Irish 31.7%, Cornish 1.9%, Irish Traveller 4.0%, French 2.6%, Dutch 1.0%, German 1.8%, Western Indian 1.1%, Central/Southern Ashkenazi 1.0%, Norwegian 1.5%

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    Could you post your Harappa World scores with the oracles. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulin View Post
    Could you post your Harappa World scores with the oracles. Thanks.
    Thanks for your interest . Results below

    HarappaWorld Admixture Proportions


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NE-Euro 48.5
    2 Mediterranean 33.8
    3 Baloch 10.37
    4 Caucasian 5.71
    5 S-Indian 0.88
    6 NE-Asian 0.54
    7 E-African 0.2
    8 American 0.01

    Oracle

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 utahn-white (1000genomes) 2.53
    2 british (1000genomes) 3.23
    3 utahn-white (hapmap) 4.72
    4 n-european (xing) 5.48
    5 orcadian (hgdp) 6.09
    6 french (hgdp) 7.54
    7 hungarian (behar) 12.64
    8 slovenian (xing) 13.9
    9 ukranian (yunusbayev) 19.26
    10 spaniard (behar) 19.36
    11 spaniard (1000genomes) 20.26
    12 belorussian (behar) 22.84
    13 romanian-a (behar) 24.03
    14 italian (hgdp) 24.15
    15 mordovian (yunusbayev) 24.25
    16 russian (behar) 25.44
    17 spain-basc (henn2012) 25.86
    18 russian (hgdp) 26.22
    19 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 26.36
    20 lithuanian (behar) 27.5

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 89% british (1000genomes) + 11% italian (hgdp) @ 1.24
    2 91.5% british (1000genomes) + 8.5% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 1.31
    3 95.4% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 4.6% sardinian (hgdp) @ 1.32
    4 90.4% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 9.6% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 1.35
    5 71.7% british (1000genomes) + 28.3% french (hgdp) @ 1.37
    6 77.9%utahn-white (1000genomes) + 22.1% french (hgdp) @ 1.42
    7 80.3% orcadian (hgdp) + 19.7% italian (hgdp) @ 1.52
    8 92.7% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 7.3% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 1.53
    9 93.2% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 6.8% basque (hgdp) @ 1.55
    10 55.6% orcadian (hgdp) + 44.4% french (hgdp) @ 1.59
    11 93.5% british (1000genomes) + 6.5% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 1.65
    12 93.9% british (1000genomes) + 6.1% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 1.67
    13 94.6% british (1000genomes) + 5.4% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 1.68
    14 95.5% british (1000genomes) + 4.5% cypriot (behar) @ 1.68
    15 94.6% british (1000genomes) + 5.4% morocco-jew (behar) @ 1.74
    16 93% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 7% italian (hgdp) @ 1.77
    17 96.4% british (1000genomes) + 3.6% druze (hgdp) @ 1.84
    18 84.1% orcadian (hgdp) + 15.9% tuscan (hapmap) @ 1.84
    19 94.7% british (1000genomes) + 5.3% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 1.85
    20 90.1% british (1000genomes) + 9.9% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.87


    4 Ancestors Oracle


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NE-Euro 48.49
    2 Mediterranean 33.80
    3 Baloch 10.37
    4 Caucasian 5.71


    Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
    16 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 utahn-white_1000genomes @ 2.736276
    2 british_1000genomes @ 3.553386
    3 utahn-white_hapmap @ 5.133622
    4 n-european_xing @ 5.921422
    5 orcadian_hgdp @ 6.754596
    6 french_hgdp @ 8.299963
    7 hungarian_behar @ 13.801644
    8 slovenian_xing @ 15.130555
    9 ukranian_yunusbayev @ 20.831518
    10 spaniard_behar @ 21.177546
    11 spaniard_1000genomes @ 22.132191
    12 serbian_harappa @ 22.725039
    13 belorussian_behar @ 24.764732
    14 mordovian_yunusbayev @ 26.032774
    15 romanian-a_behar @ 26.607214
    16 italian_hgdp @ 26.783773
    17 russian_behar @ 27.536909
    18 spain-basc_henn2012 @ 27.921473
    19 russian_hgdp @ 28.201696
    20 bulgarian_yunusbayev @ 29.233286

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% french_hgdp +50% orcadian_hgdp @ 1.869678


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% british_1000genomes +25% french_hgdp +25% utahn-white_1000genomes @ 1.241922


    Using 4 populations approximation:
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    1 british_1000genomes + british_1000genomes + french_hgdp + utahn-white_1000genomes @ 1.241922
    2 british_1000genomes + french_hgdp + utahn-white_1000genomes + utahn-white_1000genomes @ 1.282827
    3 british_1000genomes + british_1000genomes + french_hgdp + utahn-white_hapmap @ 1.453943
    4 french_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp + utahn-white_1000genomes + utahn-white_1000genomes @ 1.462403
    5 british_1000genomes + british_1000genomes + british_1000genomes + french_hgdp @ 1.504516
    6 british_1000genomes + french_hgdp + utahn-white_1000genomes + utahn-white_hapmap @ 1.514999
    7 french_hgdp + utahn-white_1000genomes + utahn-white_1000genomes + utahn-white_1000genomes @ 1.532495
    8 british_1000genomes + british_1000genomes + french_hgdp + n-european_xing @ 1.560146
    9 british_1000genomes + french_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp + utahn-white_1000genomes @ 1.631074
    10 french_hgdp + utahn-white_1000genomes + utahn-white_1000genomes + utahn-white_hapmap @ 1.752059
    11 british_1000genomes + french_hgdp + n-european_xing + utahn-white_1000genomes @ 1.765512
    12 french_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp + utahn-white_1000genomes + utahn-white_hapmap @ 1.850784
    13 french_hgdp + french_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp @ 1.869678
    14 british_1000genomes + french_hgdp + utahn-white_hapmap + utahn-white_hapmap @ 1.924922
    15 british_1000genomes + french_hgdp + n-european_xing + orcadian_hgdp @ 1.926390
    16 french_hgdp + n-european_xing + orcadian_hgdp + utahn-white_1000genomes @ 1.951773
    17 british_1000genomes + british_1000genomes + french_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp @ 1.959965
    18 british_1000genomes + french_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp + utahn-white_hapmap @ 1.967710
    19 french_hgdp + french_hgdp + orcadian_hgdp + utahn-white_hapmap @ 2.026506
    20 french_hgdp + n-european_xing + utahn-white_1000genomes + utahn-white_1000genomes @ 2.104284

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    Quote Originally Posted by mildlycurly View Post
    My experience is that if a certain proportion is significantly higher than the average spreadsheet amounts for your majority ethnicity, it's likely real. Check your one-to-many to see if there are any full-blooded Indian matches (ie. people with Indian names who score little or no European on calculators).
    I did do a search on Ancestry for common Indian surnames that I could think of but only very few matches came up, recently mixed people. I am not sure how popular Ancestry is vs 23andme for South Asians, I'm guessing the latter might be a bit more popular. Regarding the K13 published averages, I am still wondering how accurate they are, and whether all segments recognised as of a certain regional character are correctly identified. For example, if you look at the average for Amerindian, it looks like much of north Europe has a certain small amount of around 0.5 - 1% - but then you see that Saami from Finland have 2.22% average, so is that really Amerindian or some Siberian genes, the latter seem more likely, and that is likely why all north Europe has the not insignificant amount, probably from Vikings who had Saami blood.
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    OK I did a survey of my father's top 20 matches on GEDMATCH. Most are all overwhelmingly European except one who is half of African descent. Of those that have Melanesian on MDLP World 22 there are only four. My father has 0.36% Melanesian. It seems as if MDLP k23b can also provide some useful information in regards to people of Asian ancestry so I have included these below. My conclusions at the end.


    My father's kits including newly added MDLP K23b

    Eurogenes K13

    North_Atlantic 50.23 Baltic 21.94 West_Med 15.77 West_Asian 3.61
    East_Med 4.44 Red_Sea - South_Asian 2.04 East_Asian 0.12 Siberian 0.60
    Amerindian - Oceanian 0.22 Northeast_African 0.80 Sub-Saharan 0.21

    Eurogenes EUTest V2 K15


    North_Sea 39.19 Atlantic 26.40 Baltic 11.17 Eastern_Euro 4.72
    West_Med 11.51 West_Asian 2.53 East_Med 1.30 Red_Sea -
    South_Asian 1.82 Southeast_Asian 0.08 Siberian 0.27 Amerindian -
    Oceanian - Northeast_African 0.79 Sub-Saharan 0.21

    MDLP World 22


    Pygmy 0.06 Pct West-Asian 7.24 Pct North-European-Mesolithic 4.49 Pct
    Indo-Tibetan - Mesoamerican - Arctic-Amerind - South-America_Amerind 0.07 Pct
    Indian 0.51 Pct North-Siberean - Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 36.24 Pct
    Samoedic 0.33 Pct Indo-Iranian 2.15 Pct East-Siberean - North-East-European 46.17 Pct
    South-African - North-Amerind - Sub-Saharian - East-South-Asian 0.16 Pct
    Near_East 2.15 Pct Melanesian 0.36 Pct Paleo-Siberian - Austronesian -

    Gedrosia K12

    S_INDIAN 1.34 Pct
    SUB_SAHARAN -
    EARLY_EUROPEAN_FARMERS 37.46 Pct
    SW_ASIAN 4.16 Pct
    W_SIBERIAN 1.11 Pct
    SE_ASIAN -
    BALOCHI 4.92 Pct
    SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 37.07 Pct
    INDO_TIBETAN -
    CAUCASUS 13.27 Pct
    E_AFRICAN -
    E_SIBERIAN 0.62 Pct

    HarappaWorld

    S-Indian 0.88 Pct Baloch 10.37 Pct Caucasian 5.71 Pct NE-Euro 48.50 Pct
    SE-Asian - Siberian - NE-Asian 0.54 Pct Papuan -
    American - Beringian - Mediterranean 33.80 Pct SW-Asian -
    San - E-African 0.20 Pct Pygmy - W-African -

    MDLP K23b

    Amerindian 0.44 Pct
    Ancestral_Altaic 4.31 Pct
    South_Central_Asian 6.77 Pct
    Arctic -
    South_Indian -
    Australoid -
    Austronesian -
    Caucasian 19.61 Pct
    Archaic_Human -
    East_African 0.99 Pct
    East_Siberian -
    European_Early_Farmers 31.26 Pct
    Khoisan 0.10
    Pct Melano_Polynesian -
    Archaic_African -
    Near_East -
    North_African -
    Paleo_Siberian 0.46 Pct
    African_Pygmy -
    South_East_Asian -
    Subsaharian -
    Tungus-Altaic -
    European_Hunters_Gatherers 36.06 Pct


    MELANESIAN MATCH 1

    Eurogenes K13

    North_Atlantic 50.56 Baltic 21.84 West_Med 16.82 West_Asian 7.14
    East_Med 1.50 Red_Sea 0.48 South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian 1.26
    Amerindian - Oceanian 0.36 Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan -

    Eurogenes EUTest V2 K15

    North_Sea 43.69 Atlantic 21.08 Baltic 8.04 Eastern_Euro 8.43
    West_Med 13.37 West_Asian 4.63 East_Med - Red_Sea 0.07
    South_Asian - Southeast_Asian - Siberian 0.59 Amerindian -
    Oceanian 0.11 Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan -

    MDLP World-22


    Pygmy - West-Asian 6.91 Pct North-European-Mesolithic 3.91 Pct
    Indo-Tibetan 0.21 Pct Mesoamerican - Arctic-Amerind - South-America_Amerind -
    Indian - North-Siberean - Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 36.36 Pct
    Samoedic 1.87 Pct Indo-Iranian 1.68 Pct East-Siberean - North-East-European 48.24 Pct
    South-African - North-Amerind - Sub-Saharian - East-South-Asian -
    Near_East 0.55 Pct Melanesian 0.27 Pct Paleo-Siberian - Austronesian -

    Gedrosia K12

    S_INDIAN 0.37 Pct
    SUB_SAHARAN -
    EARLY_EUROPEAN_FARMERS 38.68 Pct
    SW_ASIAN 4.98 Pct
    W_SIBERIAN -
    SE_ASIAN -
    BALOCHI 1.42 Pct
    SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 38.93 Pct
    INDO_TIBETAN 0.45 Pct
    CAUCASUS 15.17 Pct
    E_AFRICAN -
    E_SIBERIAN -

    HarappaWorld


    S-Indian - Baloch 9.61 Pct Caucasian 6.93 Pct NE-Euro 49.67 Pct
    SE-Asian - Siberian 0.60 Pct NE-Asian - Papuan 0.06 Pct
    American - Beringian - Mediterranean 33.13 Pct SW-Asian -
    San - E-African - Pygmy - W-African -

    MDLP K23b

    Amerindian - Ancestral_Altaic 4.23 Pct South_Central_Asian 4.19 Pct
    Arctic - South_Indian - Australoid 0.62 Pct Austronesian - Caucasian 22.04 Pct
    Archaic_Human - East_African - East_Siberian - European_Early_Farmers 31.53 Pct
    Khoisan - Melano_Polynesian - Archaic_African - Near_East 0.69 Pct North_African -
    Paleo_Siberian - African_Pygmy 0.18 Pct South_East_Asian - Subsaharian -
    Tungus-Altaic - European_Hunters_Gatherers 36.52 Pct

    MELANESIAN MATCH 2

    Eurogenes K13

    North_Atlantic 48.36 Baltic 22.47 West_Med 14.45 West_Asian 5.84
    East_Med 5.45 Red_Sea - South_Asian 1.27 East_Asian 1.36 Siberian -
    Amerindian 0.30 Oceanian 0.49 Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan -

    Eurogenes EUTest V2 K15

    North_Sea 35.37 Atlantic 27.21 Baltic 8.42 Eastern_Euro 10.24
    West_Med 10.41 West_Asian 3.46 East_Med 2.63 Red_Sea -
    South_Asian 1.12 Southeast_Asian 0.85 Siberian - Amerindian -
    Oceanian 0.29 Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan -

    MDLP World-22

    Pygmy - West-Asian 6.64 Pct North-European-Mesolithic 5.58 Pct
    Indo-Tibetan - Mesoamerican - Arctic-Amerind 0.45 Pct South-America_Amerind -
    Indian 0.23 Pct North-Siberean - Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.61 Pct
    Samoedic - Indo-Iranian 1.88 Pct East-Siberean - North-East-European 46.70 Pct
    South-African - North-Amerind - Sub-Saharian - East-South-Asian -
    Near_East 3.25 Pct Melanesian 0.48 Pct Paleo-Siberian - Austronesian 0.07 Pct

    Gedrosia K12

    S_INDIAN -
    SUB_SAHARAN -
    EARLY_EUROPEAN_FARMERS 35.19 Pct
    SW_ASIAN 5.34 Pct
    W_SIBERIAN -
    SE_ASIAN 1.35 Pct
    BALOCHI 4.71 Pct
    SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 38.42 Pct
    INDO_TIBETAN 0.33 Pct
    CAUCASUS 14.67 Pct
    E_AFRICAN -
    E_SIBERIAN -

    HarappaWorld

    S-Indian - Baloch 9.33 Pct Caucasian 7.58 Pct NE-Euro 48.45 Pct SE-Asian 0.95 Pct
    Siberian - NE-Asian - Papuan 0.17 Pct American - Beringian - Mediterranean 32.52 Pct
    SW-Asian 0.79 Pct San - E-African 0.16 Pct Pygmy - W-African -

    MDLP K23b

    Amerindian 0.77 Pct Ancestral_Altaic 2.88 Pct South_Central_Asian 8.24 Pct
    Arctic - South_Indian - Australoid - Austronesian 0.06 Pct Caucasian 21.99 Pct
    Archaic_Human - East_African - East_Siberian - European_Early_Farmers 27.72 Pct
    Khoisan - Melano_Polynesian - Archaic_African - Near_East - North_African 0.12 Pct
    Paleo_Siberian - African_Pygmy - South_East_Asian 0.66 Pct Subsaharian 0.36 Pct
    Tungus-Altaic - European_Hunters_Gatherers 37.21 Pct

    MELANESIAN MATCH 3

    Eurogenes K13

    North_Atlantic 43.88 Baltic 26.23 West_Med 14.06 West_Asian 7.63
    East_Med 5.31 Red_Sea - South_Asian 0.82 East_Asian - Siberian -
    Amerindian - Oceanian 0.65 Northeast_African 1.39 Sub-Saharan -

    Eurogenes EUTest V2 K15

    North_Sea 36.88 Atlantic 21.28 Baltic 11.41 Eastern_Euro 10.39
    West_Med 9.94 West_Asian 6.32 East_Med 1.76 Red_Sea -
    South_Asian 0.30 Southeast_Asian - Siberian - Amerindian -
    Oceanian 0.32 Northeast_African 1.40 Sub-Saharan -

    MDLP World-22

    Pygmy - West-Asian 9.38 Pct North-European-Mesolithic 4.86 Pct
    Indo-Tibetan - Mesoamerican - Arctic-Amerind 0.07 Pct South-America_Amerind -
    Indian 0.40 Pct North-Siberean - Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 33.12 Pct
    Samoedic - Indo-Iranian 1.51 Pct East-Siberean - North-East-European 46.86 Pct
    South-African - North-Amerind - Sub-Saharian - East-South-Asian -
    Near_East 2.46 Pct Melanesian 1.30 Pct Paleo-Siberian - Austronesian -

    Gedrosia K12

    S_INDIAN -
    SUB_SAHARAN -
    EARLY_EUROPEAN_FARMERS 38.15 Pct
    SW_ASIAN 3.39 Pct
    W_SIBERIAN -
    SE_ASIAN -
    BALOCHI 5.20 Pct
    SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 37.23 Pct
    INDO_TIBETAN 0.16 Pct
    CAUCASUS 15.86 Pct
    E_AFRICAN -
    E_SIBERIAN -

    HarappaWorld

    S-Indian 0.11 Pct Baloch 9.36 Pct Caucasian 9.68 Pct
    NE-Euro 48.84 Pct SE-Asian - Siberian - NE-Asian -
    Papuan - American 0.13 Pct Beringian - Mediterranean 31.20 Pct
    SW-Asian 0.58 Pct San 0.11 Pct E-African - Pygmy - W-African -

    MDLP K23b

    Amerindian - Ancestral_Altaic 2.08 Pct South_Central_Asian 6.47 Pct
    Arctic - South_Indian - Australoid - Austronesian - Caucasian 22.78 Pct
    Archaic_Human 0.23 Pct East_African 0.50 Pct East_Siberian -
    European_Early_Farmers 26.49 Pct Khoisan - Melano_Polynesian 0.54 Pct
    Archaic_African 0.07 Pct Near_East - North_African 2.41 Pct Paleo_Siberian -
    African_Pygmy - South_East_Asian - Subsaharian - Tungus-Altaic - European_Hunters_Gatherers 38.39 Pct

    MELANESIAN MATCH 4


    Eurogenes K13

    North_Atlantic 51.37 Baltic 23.12 West_Med 13.68 West_Asian 5.32
    East_Med 1.04 Red_Sea 1.85 South_Asian 0.92 East_Asian - Siberian -
    Amerindian 1.40 Oceanian 0.50 Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan 0.79

    Eurogenes EUTest V2 K15

    North_Sea 36.57 Atlantic 31.71 Baltic 9.17 Eastern_Euro 7.73
    West_Med 8.12 West_Asian 3.09 East_Med - Red_Sea 1.17
    South_Asian 0.62 Southeast_Asian - Siberian - Amerindian 1.05
    Oceanian 0.22 Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan 0.54

    MDLP World-22

    Pygmy 0.08 Pct West-Asian 7.24 Pct North-European-Mesolithic 6.32 Pct
    Indo-Tibetan - Mesoamerican - Arctic-Amerind - South-America_Amerind -
    Indian 0.10 Pct North-Siberean - Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 33.09 Pct
    Samoedic 0.06 Pct Indo-Iranian 2.68 Pct East-Siberean - North-East-European 47.74 Pct
    South-African - North-Amerind 0.60 Pct Sub-Saharian 0.18 Pct East-South-Asian -
    Near_East 1.14 Pct Melanesian 0.37 Pct Paleo-Siberian - Austronesian 0.35 Pct

    Gedrosia K12

    S_INDIAN -
    SUB_SAHARAN 0.28 Pct
    EARLY_EUROPEAN_FARMERS 34.40 Pct
    SW_ASIAN 5.37 Pct
    W_SIBERIAN -
    SE_ASIAN -
    BALOCHI 6.39 Pct
    SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 38.23 Pct
    INDO_TIBETAN 0.31 Pct
    CAUCASUS 14.39 Pct
    E_AFRICAN -
    E_SIBERIAN 0.63 Pct

    HarappaWorld

    S-Indian - Baloch 11.31 Pct Caucasian 3.63 Pct NE-Euro 49.28 Pct
    SE-Asian 0.09 Pct Siberian - NE-Asian - Papuan 0.16 Pct
    American 0.66 Pct Beringian - Mediterranean 33.61 Pct SW-Asian 0.83 Pct
    San 0.06 Pct E-African 0.36 Pct Pygmy - W-African -

    MDLP K23b

    Amerindian 0.74 Pct Ancestral_Altaic 4.34 Pct South_Central_Asian 7.10 Pct
    Arctic - South_Indian - Australoid 0.91 Pct Austronesian 0.08 Pct Caucasian 18.67 Pct
    Archaic_Human 0.34 Pct East_African - East_Siberian - European_Early_Farmers 29.74 Pct
    Khoisan - Melano_Polynesian - Archaic_African - Near_East 0.40 Pct
    North_African 1.31 Pct Paleo_Siberian - African_Pygmy - South_East_Asian -
    Subsaharian 0.11 Pct Tungus-Altaic - European_Hunters_Gatherers 36.27 Pct

    CONCLUSIONS

    The first thing I notice is there does not seem to necessarily be any correlation to having Melanesian and an elevated amount of South Asian or South Indian ancestry in Europeans. In Melanesian Matches 1 and 4 there seems to be a clear association with a fairly significant presence of Australoid or Austronesian ancestry, and a very small amount of Austronesian in Match 2 on the K23b. Match 3 shows no Australoid or Austronesian, but 0.54% of Melano_Polynesian on K23b. Match 2 shows some clear sign of South East Asian, with 0.66 on K23b, 0.95 on HarappaWorld, 1.35 on Gedrosia K12, O.85 on Eurogenes V15.

    So it looks like Melanesian Matches 1 and 4 may have an Australian aboriginal ancestor, which seems more likely than Papuan for people of British descent.

    Melanesian Match 2 having SE Asian along with Melanesian may indicate, perhaps, a Filipino ancestor?

    Melanesian Match 3 may have a New Zealand or other Polynesian ancestor, via British colonial links?

    My father shows no trace of Austronesian, Australoid or Melano-Polynesian. What he does show is very trace amounts of SE Asian with some larger Amerindian and Siberian and Paleo Siberian % (not held by any other match) on K23b. So perhaps, this may indicate a Filipino ancestor. But to me this ancestor who I had postulated had Indian heritage does not really have south east Asian features. But my grandmother also I think had some features that are slightly east asian, which are seen in her children, and grandchildren so it could be my father has south Asian on his father's side, and SE Asian on his mother's. I think therefore to solve this further I need more samples of my father's siblings, and further relatives on both sides to see if they have greater levels of these Asian components, or some more that my father has lost.

    One interesting thing I did note, that some people who have tests from two companies on GEDMATCH, in some you will have quite significantly different amounts for these small DNA amounts by almost 1%, and in some cases, one ethnicity will disappear completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus191 View Post
    This is very interesting. Was your ancestor a merchant or soldier in the East India Company? It seems from the TV series Who Do You Think You Are, having Indian ancestry is not that uncommon, for British people at least, from memory, Sebastian Coe (athlete), Billy Connolly (actor and comedian), Olivia Colman (actress), and also Princess Diana and her sons Prince William and Harry all have documented Indian ancestry.
    Richard Branson also discovered South Asian ancestry via DNA testing, he was unaware of it:



    I know just about everything there is to know about my living relatives – we’re a tightknit bunch, who loves to share and celebrate our achievements together. Up until recently, however, I couldn’t say the same about those who came before my great-grandparents.

    That was until I sat down with historian and journalist, Henry Louis Gates Jr to trace my roots. Let me tell you, it was a journey of wonderful discovery, in which I found out that I inherited several of my most defining character traits – namely my love of adventure, discovery and entrepreneurship – from my ancestors.

    My father’s family left a paper trail that traced back to Madras, India in the 1700s. In 1793, my third great-grandfather, John Edward Branson set sail from Britain to India. After a gruelling six-month journey, in which his boat circled the Cape of Good Hope and crossed the Indian Ocean, he reached South East India – a trading hub of the fast-growing British Empire. He was eventually joined by his father, my fourth great-grandfather, Harry Wilkins Branson; and by 1808 three generations of my ancestors were living in Madras (or Chennai, as the city is known today).

    When I heard this, I hoped that they had made the move for the love of adventure and in the spirit of entrepreneurship; and it turns out I was right. The paper trail showed that they moved in search of fortune, and within 10 years became successful businessmen – my great-great-great-grandfather, John, a shopkeeper and my great-great-great-great-grandfather, Harry, an auctioneer. I was terribly excited to discover that the entrepreneur gene runs deep in the Branson blood line.

    What’s more exciting is that the Madras archives combined with analysis of my DNA uncovered a very surprising family secret. The baptismal record of my second great-grandmother Eliza Reddy strangely didn’t list her mother. Analysis of my DNA revealed that the reason for this was because my third great-grandmother was Indian. Yes, it turns out I’m part Indian. I couldn’t wipe the smile off my face when I found this out. I’m honoured. I wish that my father had got to see these records; he would have been fascinated too.
    https://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/finding-my-roots

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piquerobi View Post
    Richard Branson also discovered South Asian ancestry via DNA testing, he was unaware of it:




    https://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/finding-my-roots
    Oh, I did not know about Richard, that's great. I checked out British India Office wills and there is an administration for his ancestor Luke Reddy, who had his natural daughter Eliza, Richard's ancestor by an Indian woman. He made no will, so unfortunately it looks like his money may have automatically gone to his legitimate daughter also mentioned in the administration, Margaret Tolfrey, wife of Charles Frederick Tolfrey as illegitimate offspring had no legal claim to their natural parent's estate. The estate was left unadministered for years, but was eventually appraised at 19,037 Madras Rupees 1 A 9 P in 1835, not sure what the smaller denominations were. It was common however for natural children to be left money, even the majority of British men's estates, as was the case with a relative of mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus191 View Post
    I did do a search on Ancestry for common Indian surnames that I could think of but only very few matches came up, recently mixed people. I am not sure how popular Ancestry is vs 23andme for South Asians, I'm guessing the latter might be a bit more popular. Regarding the K13 published averages, I am still wondering how accurate they are, and whether all segments recognised as of a certain regional character are correctly identified. For example, if you look at the average for Amerindian, it looks like much of north Europe has a certain small amount of around 0.5 - 1% - but then you see that Saami from Finland have 2.22% average, so is that really Amerindian or some Siberian genes, the latter seem more likely, and that is likely why all north Europe has the not insignificant amount, probably from Vikings who had Saami blood.
    The Amerindian/Siberian is going a lot further back than the Vikings. Probably to the Mesolithic and/or Bronze Age with the Steppe invasions for the majority of Europeans, coming through WHG/EHG ancestry and also through Siberians for Saami, Finns and Estonians. As mildlycurly said, if you are getting significantly higher amounts than average for your ethnicity, consistently, then it's likely to be real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bas View Post
    The Amerindian/Siberian is going a lot further back than the Vikings. Probably to the Mesolithic and/or Bronze Age with the Steppe invasions for the majority of Europeans, coming through WHG/EHG ancestry and also through Siberians for Saami, Finns and Estonians. As mildlycurly said, if you are getting significantly higher amounts than average for your ethnicity, consistently, then it's likely to be real.
    This is partly why in my case I've not jumped to a conclusion. I'm a smorgasbord of various people and I can't be sure of what the average "South Asian" should be within my family. But looking at maternal cousins it is certainly something I've inherited paternally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bas View Post
    The Amerindian/Siberian is going a lot further back than the Vikings. Probably to the Mesolithic and/or Bronze Age with the Steppe invasions for the majority of Europeans, coming through WHG/EHG ancestry and also through Siberians for Saami, Finns and Estonians. As mildlycurly said, if you are getting significantly higher amounts than average for your ethnicity, consistently, then it's likely to be real.
    I guess you could be right. I was thinking it could even be from Viking enslavement of Greenlanders, but they didn't get there until the late 900s, so not much time for that DNA to spread so evenly over NW Europe as the widespread Viking invasions stopped not long after that. Not impossible though? I think across all the GEDMATCH and other admixture calculators, my father has consistently slightly more South Asian than most of his closest matches so I think it is likely he does have an Indian ancestor. But I am also seeing some slightly elevated level of N/E African - which made me ponder if the Sea Captain's servant (or slave more likely) girl was mixed African/E Asian/Indian - which made me think Madagascan was a possibility. Portuguese seemed to have traded slaves there, and probably sold slaves in the Azores, which would be en route from the Caribbean to England where I knew this Captain operated. This is my father's MDLP K72 that I posted on the other thread:

    South-West-European 38.38%
    North-European-Baltic 31.9%
    Gedrosia-Caucasian 9.56%
    Baltic-Finnic 7.5%
    Caucasian-Near-Eastern 5.38%
    Kalash 2.35%
    Cushitic 1.52%
    Central-African-Hunter-Gatherers 0.83%
    Ancestral-South-Indian 0.57%
    South-Meso-Amerindian 0.54%
    Uralic 0.34%
    Australo-Melanesian 0.3%
    Nilo-Saharian 0.3%
    North-Circumpolar 0.3%
    North-Amerindian 0.15%
    Papuan-Australian 0.07%
    Nilotic-Omotic 0.02%
    Tibeto-Burman 0.01%

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