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    Nordic Bronze Age continuity!?

    Generalissimo/Davidski just posted a very interesting blog about the Nordic Bronze Age.

    Key statement:
    Granted, two of the Nordic_BA samples sit just south of the Swedes, no doubt due to their slightly higher ratios of Neolithic farmer (SWE_TRB-related) ancestry, but this is also an area of the plot that many present-day Danes call home (not shown, because I don't have any suitable academic Danish samples to run).
    My intuition was: I plot very close to this two samples.....But my attempts to get things working failed.

    So I did a bypass a previous attempt that was good:


    Drawn into the new figure (red dot):


    Right on Rise71 Bronze Age Denmark!

    It would be nice if someone could plot theG25 of the three of us:

    Finn,0.134311267881738,0.142174118601101,0.0648647 552990066,0.0607242910209745,0.0424694859870001,0. 023147924744996,0.00681530850365557,0.008999624992 18717,0.00777190581517815,-0.00309801387989144,-0.00617076008284231,0.00569493107947761,-0.0114468729354353,-0.0013762267255071,0.0196794435896953,0.0068946588 0229036,0.0,0.00658780691884636,0.0049022239850908 5,0.00562769935231085,0.0059894306908086,0.0051934 1506140227,-0.00308119295079033,0.014098378630183,-0.00191599582463011

    FinnDad,0.132035,0.139128,0.060339,0.053295,0.0424 69,0.019522,0.010575,0.011999,0.002045,0.000911,-0.008607,0.006744,-0.014123,-0.004266,0.015472,0.004243,-0.00678,0.006081,0.006159,0.004252,0.00574,0.00371 ,-0.002711,0.014219,-0.002275

    FinnMom,0.137726,0.139128,0.064865,0.056848,0.0433 93,0.021475,0.001175,0.008538,0.011044,0.002005,-0.002923,0.004046,-0.004906,-0.001101,0.020087,0.011933,-0.001565,0.006588,0.002765,0.003126,0.00574,0.0059 35,-0.005053,0.011086,-0.000599

    Anyhow it seems to be clear that there is some kind of continuity between the Nordic Bronze Age, so (proto) Germanic until nowadays and not only in Scandinavia but also among the people of the outmost Northern Netherlands....


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    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/0...ronze-age.html
    Last edited by Finn; 05-19-2019 at 07:42 PM.

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    This makes Davidski theory even more plausible. Because Denmark and the Northern Netherlands were Single Grave hotspots. Sweden was a Battle Axe hotspot. Denmark and the Northern Netherlands were both TRB pockets.

    So not only transformed SGC into BB but they also (gradually) mingled with the previous TRB people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    This makes Davidski theory even more plausible. Because Denmark and the Northern Netherlands were Single Grave hotspots. Sweden was a Battle Axe hotspot. Denmark and the Northern Netherlands were both TRB pockets.

    So not only transformed SGC into BB but they also (gradually) mingled with the previous TRB people.
    No doubt that a coastal CW related origin for northern BB has some strongpoints in its favour. On the other hand some aspects of classic BB burials seem to me to point to further east. The odd thing is that echos of the classic beaker burial orientation seem to spring up randomly in the CW world including Sweden, southern Poland, the Dnieper and Moravia. All on the edges of the CW world and separated by the big block of more classic CW east-west burials. I just don’t know what to make of it. It many be partly chronological (the dates of the CW related groups using it seem rather late c 2600BC in places like Poland and Middie Dniester and not much earlier than it’s appearance in beaker itself. it was perhaps an alternative rite spreading patchily through the CW world c 2600BC with it’s west-central expression being what we call classic bell beaker. In a sense the classic beaker burial is just one expression of the new burial tradition that was spreading into some CW groups c 2600BC or so. I dont even think the direction of its spread is clear from the dates which are too similar for the technique to distinguise definitely.
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    Instructions on how to run the North Euro G25 PCA are here...

    https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/...geography.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    Instructions on how to run the North Euro G25 PCA are here...

    https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/...geography.html
    Thanks but its not a matter of how to but in the converse of the data to paste then the labels get wrong and the system can’t make a PCA. Tomorrow I can send a picture of the ‘bug’.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Thanks buts its not a matter of how to but in the converse of the data to paste then the labels get wrong and the system can’t make a PCA. Tomorrow I can send a picture of the ‘bug’.
    Sounds like you've got an extra row at the bottom of the sheet.

    Backspace until you get rid of all of the empty rows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    Sounds like you've got an extra row at the bottom of the sheet.

    Backspace until you get rid of all of the empty rows.

    Or at the beginning of the street:


    And when i deleted the : then I get sucked because of invalid value in the first row etc.

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    I got my info in the sheet, but my problem is I don’t know what to do next. What steps to display results? The xy graph is unusable
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    I got my info in the sheet, but my problem is I don’t know what to do next. What steps to display results? The xy graph is unusable
    I guss almost at the finish Mitchel!!

    Choose Multivariate > Ordination > Principal Components or Discriminant Analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    I got my info in the sheet, but my problem is I don’t know what to do next. What steps to display results? The xy graph is unusable
    Already solved Mitch? I get this:


    Has someone a clever solution???

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