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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Already solved Mitch? I get this:


    Has someone a clever solution???
    I don't have the first 2 columns (A= cornflower B= Dot) in mine and it runs ok. Looking at your image I think the problem is your top row should be a header and not in the blue section. i.e. PC1 - PC 25 shouldn't be in the blue area of the spreadsheet. Try removing row 1
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    two of the Nordic_BA samples sit just south of the Swedes, no doubt due to their slightly higher ratios of Neolithic farmer (SWE_TRB-related) ancestry, but this is also an area of the plot that many present-day Danes call home (not shown, because I don't have any suitable academic Danish samples to run).
    I've been curious where modern day Danes would plot. Based on the above, it's probably somewhere near here

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    After a few hours playing with it I think I got the hang of it.

    FWIW on this one (not trying to hijack this thread, but not sure where else to post the following)

    I'm the black dot deep inside the Dutch polygon (orange border)
    On the east side of the Scottish (light blue border) and Orcadian polygons (teal border)
    I'm barely within the English polygon (eastern edge of red border runs through my location/dot)
    Also barely within the Germany polygon (northern edge of gold border runs through my location/dot)
    Just outside/to the east of the Irish polygon (green border)
    Just to the south of the Icelandic polygon (blue border)
    To the southwest of the Norwegian polygon (brown border) and to west of Swedish the polygon (plum/magenta border)

    They're not on there but I would surmise I'm NW of a theoretical Danish polygon.



    The above is a somewhat of a good match for where I plotted on ph2ter's K36 map. In the Netherlands and to the west of Norway east of Shetlands
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....579#post568579
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    Here is your family Finn.

    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 05-21-2019 at 06:08 AM. Reason: found nordic coordinates
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Already solved Mitch? I get this:


    Has someone a clever solution???
    The only way I know to get this result is if I copy and paste the data into PAST3 instead of opening the file through the File->Open menu.

    Did you copy and paste?

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    @thanks Mitch!!!

    With support this is the result in Paste:


    Obviously we are in the Nordic LN-EBA or 'proto-Germanic' corner mom and I are 'twins' of Rise71 and Rise97.

    What may cause the similarity? Rise71 and Rise97 are both LN-EBA samples of Eastern Denmark. This area is known as TRB stronghold, even after the incoming Single Grave people. That's also in Drenthe the case: a TRB hotspot with incoming Single Grave people.

    In LN-EBA we see a 'de-neolithisation', see: Rune Iversen, Beyond the Neolithic transition - the ‘de-Neolithisation’ of South Scandinavia (2018).

    Keynote in this respect:
    In the eastern parts of Denmark (incl. easternmost Jutland) and Scania, the late Funnel Beaker culture continued until c 2650 BC with some regional developments in pottery style. Megalithic tombs were the predominant burial form throughout the Neolithic. Already from c 3000 BC Pitted Ware elements were incorporated in the gradually disintegrated Funnel Beaker tradition. The reuse of megalithic tombs is in particular visible on the Danish Islands where Pitted Ware tanged arrowheads and certain variants of Single Grave battle-axes and beakers were incorporated in the existing burial custom illustrating the gradual disintegration of the Funnel Beaker culture. In Scania and on Bornholm, the Swedish-Norwegian Battle Axe culture constituted a particular variant of the widespread Corded Ware complex.
    Still find it astonishing that even after 4000 years the genetic profile shows a similarity with that of LN-BA.....

    https://www.academia.edu/3079555/Bey...th_Scandinavia
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    I plotted the Germanic influence in the early middle ages. I used the averages. German Medieval and Swedish Vikings seems to fall into the Nordic LN-BA cluster. German Medieval more westwards and Vikings more eastwards in the cluster. Saxons seems to be mixed with the Britons (plot in between Ireland and Iceland). Szolad and Collegno are Belgian/France shifted, due to higher EEF?

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