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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimanto View Post
    This is that of my niece (I'm on the left):

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    Same with me and my aunt. Not as drastic as yours though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BackToTheForests View Post
    This is what LivingDNA says about it:

    Attachment 30553

    I would love to know if anyone agrees/disagrees with this, LivingDNA give me 4.9% Tuscany when I have no Italian ancestry at all.
    Even though I am not related to Tuscan I get big segments on 100/1cM setting on GED. Following are the actual values listed. These segments show up as Balochi & Caucausian & SW_Asian under Gedrosia K12 compare kits painting of match segments. Some castes in Central India & people having high some kind of Balochi segments match up with Tuscan segments. However Tuscan doesn't show up in any of the calculators or nmonte, only Sardinian some times shows up in nmonte

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    1-on-1 match maximum segment total segments
    ZN7749899 (Tuscan HGDP01168) [HGDP (Stanford)] 465.7 cM 8.2cM 278
    ZJ4905620 (Tuscan HGDP01161) [HGDP (Stanford)] 458.0 cM 5.6 279
    HH4629713 (Tuscan HGDP01162) [HGDP (Stanford)] 479.9 cM 5.0 293
    JM9819004 (Tuscan HGDP01163) [HGDP (Stanford)] 527.2 cM 4.5 316
    TW4966290 (Tuscan HGDP01164) [HGDP (Stanford)] 479.2 cM 4.2 288
    HJ5022088 (Tuscan HGDP01166) [HGDP (Stanford)] 506.4 cM 4.7 294
    MK7839976 (Tuscan HGDP01167) [HGDP (Stanford)] 495.9 cM 4.5 292
    ZN7749899 (Tuscan HGDP01168) [HGDP (Stanford)] 465.7 cM 8.2 278
    WK8850312 (Tuscan HGDP) [HGDP (Stanford)] 449.5 cM 4.3 273
    Z542707 (Tuscan HGDP01163) 526.8 cM 4.5 315
    Z241486 (Tuscan HGDP01168) 464.6 cM 8.2 277
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
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    extras 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2 CG8572A G8860A T11368C T16093a T16154C C16519T

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackToTheForests View Post
    This is what LivingDNA says about it:

    Attachment 30553

    I would love to know if anyone agrees/disagrees with this, LivingDNA give me 4.9% Tuscany when I have no Italian ancestry at all.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1852723/

    ∼5% of mtDNA haplotypes in Tuscany are shared exclusively between Tuscans and Near Easterners and occupy terminal positions in the phylogeny. These findings support a direct and rather recent genetic input from the Near East—a scenario in agreement with the Lydian origin of Etruscans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimanto View Post
    This is that of my niece (I'm on the left):

    Attachment 30552
    Yeah. Myheritage have problems giving accurate results.
    I guess your niece is 100% south Italian.
    I did not score any Sardinian just Iberian and Italian.
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    Eurogenes K13 Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
    1. 63.1% Swedish + 36.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.93

    Dodecad K12b
    7. 66.4% Norwegian + 33.6% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 3.24
    9. 60.6% Norwegian + 39.4% N_Italian @ 3.32

     

    [1] "distance%=4.0727"
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    FARMERS-Balkans_Neolithic,42
    STEPPE-Eneolithic,35.8
    HUNTERS-WHG,16.6
    HUNTERS-West_Siberia_Neolithic,5
    EAST-ASIATIC_Neolithic,0.4

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackToTheForests View Post
    This is what LivingDNA says about it:

    Attachment 30553

    I would love to know if anyone agrees/disagrees with this, LivingDNA give me 4.9% Tuscany when I have no Italian ancestry at all.
    Even British people can score some Tuscan on livingdna.
    It does not represent recent Tuscan ancestry. But rather Neolithic farmer.
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    Eurogenes K13 Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
    1. 63.1% Swedish + 36.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.93

    Dodecad K12b
    7. 66.4% Norwegian + 33.6% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 3.24
    9. 60.6% Norwegian + 39.4% N_Italian @ 3.32

     

    [1] "distance%=4.0727"
    Nino_scaled

    FARMERS-Balkans_Neolithic,42
    STEPPE-Eneolithic,35.8
    HUNTERS-WHG,16.6
    HUNTERS-West_Siberia_Neolithic,5
    EAST-ASIATIC_Neolithic,0.4

    IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by shazou View Post
    If my known trace Euro ancestry is Spanish..what exactly would the Sardinian found in my Myheritage results below mean do you think?:

    I really don't know. Would make more sense if you scored Iberian. What does eurogenes k13 say.
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    1. 63.1% Swedish + 36.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.93

    Dodecad K12b
    7. 66.4% Norwegian + 33.6% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 3.24
    9. 60.6% Norwegian + 39.4% N_Italian @ 3.32

     

    [1] "distance%=4.0727"
    Nino_scaled

    FARMERS-Balkans_Neolithic,42
    STEPPE-Eneolithic,35.8
    HUNTERS-WHG,16.6
    HUNTERS-West_Siberia_Neolithic,5
    EAST-ASIATIC_Neolithic,0.4

    IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2

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    I find Myheritage pretty accurate, in my case, and I think that their raw dna file is currently one of the best ones out there (not sure about the very new GSA chip). MDLP16 results correlate perfectly with what Myheritage reports in my case.

    Example:

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    MDLP16:
     

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 46.46
    2 Neolithic 22.28
    3 Steppe 14.51
    4 NorthEastEuropean 8.81
    5 NearEast 4.91
    6 Indian 2.18
    7 Australian 0.59
    8 EastAfrican 0.26

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Greek (Greece) 4.6
    2 Greek (Athens) 6.27
    3 Greek (Azov) 6.99
    4 Greek (Macedonia) 7.76
    5 Turk (Istanbul) 8.55
    6 Jew (Ashkenazi) 9.15
    7 Turk (Turkey) 9.27
    8 Italian (SouthItaly) 9.67
    9 Jew (Ashkenazim) 10.22
    10 Sicilian (Sicily) 10.72
    11 Jew (Bulgaria) 10.82
    12 Greek (Peloponnes) 11.06
    13 Italian (Abruzzo) 11.23
    14 Greek (Greece) 11.45
    15 Jew (Sephardim) 11.67
    16 Jew (Ashkenazi) 11.69
    17 Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) 11.73
    18 Greek (Thessaloniki) 11.75
    19 Maltese (Malta) 11.75
    20 Jew (Italian) 11.9

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 76.8% Greek (Athens) + 23.2% Georgians (Zugdidi) @ 2.63
    2 75.5% Greek (Athens) + 24.5% Georgian (Georgia) @ 2.67
    3 54% Armenian (Armenia) + 46% Italian (Bergamo) @ 2.7
    4 85.1% Greek (Greece) + 14.9% Chechen (Chechnya) @ 2.72
    5 82.4% Greek (Greece) + 17.6% Abkhazian_Lykhny (Lykhny) @ 2.74
    6 61.5% Greek (Thessaloniki) + 38.5% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.77
    7 84.4% Greek (Greece) + 15.6% Adygei (Adygea) @ 2.85
    8 65.1% Greek (Greece) + 34.9% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.88
    9 74.5% Greek (Athens) + 25.5% Adjar (Adjaria) @ 2.9
    10 56.2% Kosovar (Kosovo) + 43.8% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.94
    11 84.2% Greek (Greece) + 15.8% Georgians (Zugdidi) @ 2.96
    12 55.3% Italian (Tuscany) + 44.7% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.97
    13 83.3% Greek (Greece) + 16.7% Georgian (Georgia) @ 2.99
    14 84.6% Greek (Greece) + 15.4% Abkhazian (Gudauta) @ 3.01
    15 83.4% Greek (Greece) + 16.6% Kumyk (Dagestan) @ 3.01
    16 74.5% Greek (Athens) + 25.5% Georgian_Abkhazia (Abkhazia) @ 3.03
    17 84.6% Greek (Greece) + 15.4% Balkar (Kabardino-Balkaria) @ 3.03
    18 53.7% Armenian (Armenia) + 46.3% Italian (Bergamo) @ 3.05
    19 62% Greek (Thessaloniki) + 38% Armenian (Armenia) @ 3.08
    20 82.4% Greek (Greece) + 17.6% Georgian_Abkhazia (Abkhazia) @ 3.08
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    Even British people can score some Tuscan on livingdna.
    It does not represent recent Tuscan ancestry. But rather Neolithic farmer.
    I find this to be a real flaw of a calculator model. I mean why of all groups does it pick Tuscany? I could only imagine this being a bit correct if there were groups in England that some how had Roman DNA that hasn't been washed out after almost 2000 years. since Roman times England has been inundated with Scandinavian and Germanic tribes that I find it unbelievable for trace Tuscan/Italian et al. DNA to have such a strong showing. then again, what do I know? I am hardly well versed in any of this.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryS. View Post
    I find this to be a real flaw of a calculator model. I mean why of all groups does it pick Tuscany? I could only imagine this being a bit correct if there were groups in England that some how had Roman DNA that hasn't been washed out after almost 2000 years. since Roman times England has been inundated with Scandinavian and Germanic tribes that I find it unbelievable for trace Tuscan/Italian et al. DNA to have such a strong showing. then again, what do I know? I am hardly well versed in any of this.....
    It's not Roman DNA. They use Tuscan as a proxy for South European like DNA in North and West Europeans.
    See livingdna result thread.
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    1. 63.1% Swedish + 36.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.93

    Dodecad K12b
    7. 66.4% Norwegian + 33.6% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 3.24
    9. 60.6% Norwegian + 39.4% N_Italian @ 3.32

     

    [1] "distance%=4.0727"
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    STEPPE-Eneolithic,35.8
    HUNTERS-WHG,16.6
    HUNTERS-West_Siberia_Neolithic,5
    EAST-ASIATIC_Neolithic,0.4

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