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    Iranian Azerbaijani under Y-DNA N

    So a relative of our tribe (same sub-branch) did a test and turned out to be under this specific clade:




    Any help on how this clade could have made it's way to Iran is appreciated.
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    Y-DNA N has appeared several times in our current aDNA in relation to the Xiongnu and Avars, and later in Medieval Yakuts. However, they weren't genotyped for L1034, as far as I'm aware.

    N was also found in several remains from the Xiongnu period (Keyser et al. 2020) that were identified as early Turks.

    L1034 was specifically found in an Aldy-Bel sample (IA Scythian from around the Altai region). I'm not aware of any other Scythian samples with that subclade (but I'm a good year out of the loop with steppe Y-DNA).

    Y-DNA N (entire subclade) has not been found (yet?) in any of the Medieval Turkic samples (Kharakhanid, Karluk etc.) from West-Central Asia.

    With respect to modern populations, I refer to:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25258186/
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-L1034/
    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...out/background

    So, N-L1034 is irregularly spread across Eurasia, with a specific appearance in European Ugric speakers (but not in the Finnic branch), alongside various Turkic-speaking populations (Bashkir, Uzbek, Tatar, Yakut, Turkish from Turkey). This actually coincides somewhat nicely with the linguistic data concerning the Turkic-originating vocabulary in Modern Hungarian.

    An attribution to one of the Turkic-speaking/originating migrations after Tuğril bey's ascent is the most parsimonious explanation - Attributing it to a particular movement (f.ex. Turkoman settlers following the Seljuk dynasty's establishment) or tribe doesn't seem feasible (the paucity in data speaks against such assertions).

    A Scythian argument doesn't seem particularly sensible for self-apparent reasons.

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    N haplogroup is typical for Afshar/Shahsevan people of Northern Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farroukh View Post
    N haplogroup is typical for Afshar/Shahsevan people of Northern Iran.
    Is this particular subclade specific to them, or do they exhibit a variety of subclades?

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    Yes, sure, they are bearers of several N-subclades.

    Kyp.snow, are you tested at FTDNA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMXX View Post
    Y-DNA N has appeared several times in our current aDNA in relation to the Xiongnu and Avars, and later in Medieval Yakuts. However, they weren't genotyped for L1034, as far as I'm aware.

    N was also found in several remains from the Xiongnu period (Keyser et al. 2020) that were identified as early Turks.

    L1034 was specifically found in an Aldy-Bel sample (IA Scythian from around the Altai region). I'm not aware of any other Scythian samples with that subclade (but I'm a good year out of the loop with steppe Y-DNA).

    Y-DNA N (entire subclade) has not been found (yet?) in any of the Medieval Turkic samples (Kharakhanid, Karluk etc.) from West-Central Asia.

    With respect to modern populations, I refer to:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25258186/
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-L1034/
    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...out/background

    So, N-L1034 is irregularly spread across Eurasia, with a specific appearance in European Ugric speakers (but not in the Finnic branch), alongside various Turkic-speaking populations (Bashkir, Uzbek, Tatar, Yakut, Turkish from Turkey). This actually coincides somewhat nicely with the linguistic data concerning the Turkic-originating vocabulary in Modern Hungarian.

    An attribution to one of the Turkic-speaking/originating migrations after Tuğril bey's ascent is the most parsimonious explanation - Attributing it to a particular movement (f.ex. Turkoman settlers following the Seljuk dynasty's establishment) or tribe doesn't seem feasible (the paucity in data speaks against such assertions).

    A Scythian argument doesn't seem particularly sensible for self-apparent reasons.
    Thanks for the great answer!

    Quote Originally Posted by Farroukh View Post
    N haplogroup is typical for Afshar/Shahsevan people of Northern Iran.
    Are you sure? I'm not aware of any other Afshar and Shahsevans from Iran being tested.

    Our family is Afshar too btw (from Zanjan Province).

    Quote Originally Posted by Farroukh View Post
    Yes, sure, they are bearers of several N-subclades.

    Kyp.snow, are you tested at FTDNA?
    No i'm not tested at ftdna.
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    Are you sure? I'm not aware of any other Afshar and Shahsevans from Iran being tested.
    There are some persons from Azerbaijan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_noise View Post
    One of my daughters Iranian matches Y-DNA is O-F8... I found this odd, but admittedly I know very little about Iranian Y lines
    This Y-DNA also seems to have been found in Azerbaijan DNA Project quite a few times. Probably some Ilkhanid or Timurid legacy!

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