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    Hi guys,
    Here is a question which might be quite interesting. I have been reading up on some of the background to the Keltoi peoples of Hallstatt and La Tene origins. One feature the ancient scribes have in common is that they note that these folks were tall, which I presume means relative to the general population in their experience. I wondered if many in this group likewise consider themselves to be taller than average? (you wont find the answer to this in the genetic tables, but it is an inheritable trait).
    I will put my hand up for one.
    Rob

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    Hey,

    Not really, Id say about 6 ft, pretty average or just above the average. There are not many Y-linked traits, although Y genes are crucial to proper sexual differentiation and testicular development. In a way perhaps they may indirectly influence other traits. There has been much interest in SRY and its expression. It is said to be responsible for Sertoli and Leydig cell differentiation, and its expressed in the brain. However I think that such an influence must surely be minimal in comparison to autosomal genetic component otherwise it could have been easily picked up by pedigree analysis. So if we take Rhine valley as the "heimat" of U152 and its subclades, then in my case any "special" autosomal DNA, outside the usual pan-European background, that was accompanying Y4355 in its population of origin, must have been thoroughly rinsed down throughout centuries of relative isolation within the Eastern periphery of U152.

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    Interesting question Rob I believe the scribes Italians & Greeks were generally shorter peoples 5'5 - 5'7 as I have read was the average height of a Roman soldier, in my case I was 6'ft tall but now with age abt 5'11 my father was 6'1 another interesting trait that I would like to put this question forward is I Googled countries with the most bald men in the world & it comes back Japan #1 and Czech republic #2. I had premature male pattern baldness now mostly bald as my father & grandfather were, I wonder how many men under S8183 or Y4354 have the same balding inheritable trait ?

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    Yes, that was behind my question. Anyone 6ft or above I would regard as above average in height, and yes, it does raise the matter of whether this has a Y component as well as (presumably) autosomal.
    The male side of my family has a strong history of tallness with my GG grandfather known to have been 6ft 1'', born 1833. Fairly tall for even that era.
    I see Mr Paul is also about that 6ft mark (+/-).
    As to MPB, yes there is some little evidence I have retained a full head!

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    Looking at all the males with my surname from my extended family there seems to be no rule for height, baldness and hair or eye colour. It comes and goes, skips a generation or two, or more. I have read that there is some evidence for X-linked maternal component to baldness, which makes the overall female contribution stronger. Id say this appears to be true in my family's case. If there is one fairly common and shared feature among males in my family it would rather be fairly deep-set eyes and quite big and long heads) which especially in the older generations were accompanied by long faces. It sounds funny and I dont really think it should be Y-linked, but it has been so.

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    They've added Qvarfordt today: https://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=1222 Not finalised yet. Anyway, with an average of 130-150 years per SNP, I think I will be giving BigY a try.

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    Hi, i following with great interest this post. 23andme give me
    R-y4355 haplo and i did y-37 reciently, there get matches with center european guys and nordic this particular sweden.
    Serckesh , i Saw my GGfather, Ambrosio Rodríguez in your list , thanks.
    In a future ill do y-700.i aprecciate any help or advice. Forget to say im Spaniard.
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    Hello Egica500. Welcome to Anthrogenica! In order to learn more about your subclade and its origins, I suggest that you join the R-U152 project at FTDNA (here at https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...out/background).
    MDKA: Robert Boulay, b. 1631, Réveillon, Orne, France
    Y-DNA: R1b-U152 > L2 > Z367 > Z34 > Z33 > BY164497> BY3604

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    Hi, alchemist223 . i did it, long time ago.Anyway thanks.
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    23andme:SouthEur:80'3 NWEur:13'1 BroadEur 3'3 AJ:1'4 NA:1 Trace :0'3 Unss:0'6

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    Hi, welcome to our little group. Looking forward to seeing you on the charts!
    Robbiem1

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