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    Quote Originally Posted by midichlorian View Post
    Curious how to read this. Looking at mine (3rd from the left, I'm Midichlorian) it seems like a little under 60% non-AASI to 40ish% AASI? Could've sworn it was the other way around for me....
    Nope, you and I have similar AASI proportions-around 42%. Those that go above 60% are tribal affiliated populations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thejkhan View Post
    I see a lot of discussion about NW South Asian endogamous groups and their Steppe, Iran_N etc. etc.

    Just curious which group has highest 'West Eurasian' component - which is probably something like --> Sintashta + Indus + BMAC - all sorts of AASI.
    Thats easy, Kalash and neighbouring Dardic groups like Pashais, Dameli and Kho, after them SPGT related groups, in particular, Kambojs and Khatris( who are more mainstream Indo Aryan groups) , the dominant source of Iranian related ancestry for those groups I mentioned is a combo of Eneolithic C/SC and/or BMAC like populations ie more Western populations which have little or no AASI. On the surface a Haryana Jat in admixture can look more western shifted to a Khatri but once on G25, its a different ball game. Indus cannot be considered purely West Eurasian. Rors would also be the most western shifted but they have considerable Siberian ancestry which I feel is more Eurasian than West Eurasian IMO

    Case and point , SPGT like Khatri

    "sample": "Khatri:K-42",
    "fit": 1.7821,
    "Piramalai": 32.5,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 52.5,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 10.83,
    "NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP": 4.17,
    "closestDistances": [

    vs Dr.Ninja's Haryana Jatt


    "sample": "Custom:HRP0393_scaled",
    "fit": 1.7585,
    "Piramalai": 50,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 29.17,
    "TKM_Parkhai_MBA": 17.5,
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA": 3.33,
    "NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP": 0,
    "closestDistances": [


    For comparison with half Pashtun/Tajik user, to see the gradient

    "sample": "Pashtun:Rukha_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.6407,
    "Piramalai": 16.67
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 53.33,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 23.33,
    "NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP": 4.17,
    "RUS_West_Siberia_N": 2.5,
    "closestDistances":


    *edit* Ror


    sample": "Ror:Average",
    "fit": 1.371,
    "Piramalai": 38.33,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 33.33,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 27.5,
    "NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP": 0.83,
    "closestDistances": [
    Last edited by pegasus; 06-06-2019 at 09:16 PM.

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    @pegasus

    HRP0393 is slightly more South Asian/AASI shifted than the average Haryana/UP Jat. prashant's cousin is on the other end and probably slightly less South Asian/AASI shifted than the average Haryana/West UP Jat. Do you mind running him in that setup as well?
    pegasus modeling:
    sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.1506,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 43.33,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 31.67,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
    "closestDistances": [

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapporo View Post
    @pegasus

    HRP0393 is slightly more South Asian/AASI shifted than the average Haryana/UP Jat. prashant's cousin is on the other end and probably slightly less South Asian/AASI shifted than the average Haryana/West UP Jat. Do you mind running him in that setup as well?
    I ran you and I as well.

    "sample": "UP_Jatt:jattsheoran_AGUser",
    "fit": 2.4699,
    "Piramalai": 37.5,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 35.83,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 25.83,
    "NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP": 0.83,

    "sample": "Khatri:agentlime_AGUser",
    "fit": 2.4737,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 41.67,
    "Piramalai": 40,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 17.5,
    "NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP": 0.83,

    "sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser",
    "fit": 2.4477,
    "Piramalai": 42.5,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 35.83,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 20,
    "NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP": 1.67,

    Edit: Ran aaronbee too

    "sample": "Punjabi_Jat:aaronbee2010_AGUser",
    "fit": 2.3707,
    "Piramalai": 37.5,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 35,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25.83,
    "NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP": 1.67,

    Edit 2: With Parkhai_MBA

    "sample": "UP_Jatt:jattsheoran_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.9847,
    "Piramalai": 39.17,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 36.67,
    "TKM_Parkhai_MBA": 17.5,
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA": 6.67,
    Last edited by agent_lime; 06-07-2019 at 07:20 AM.

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    Basically what everyone has said Indo Aryan groups of Hindukush/Karakorum(KPK, Gilgit) , after that some Baloch admixed Sindhis , Khatris etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by passion View Post
    Basically what everyone has said Indo Aryan groups of Hindukush/Karakorum(KPK, Gilgit) , after that some Baloch admixed Sindhis , Khatris etc
    My surprise is Punjabi Lahore hanging under Patels and near South Indian mid castes.

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    @agent_lime

    Do you mind removing adding RUS_West_Siberia_N to our runs?

    Also, mind doing a run with all of us using this setup you used for prashant's cousin:

    "Piramalai":
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA":
    "TKM_Parkhai_MBA":
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA":
    pegasus modeling:
    sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.1506,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 43.33,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 31.67,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
    "closestDistances": [

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapporo View Post
    @pegasus

    HRP0393 is slightly more South Asian/AASI shifted than the average Haryana/UP Jat. prashant's cousin is on the other end and probably slightly less South Asian/AASI shifted than the average Haryana/West UP Jat. Do you mind running him in that setup as well?
    ?[/QUOTE]

    Yeah I was surprised he definitely did not score like Rors but his Steppe levels were high.

    His cousin is like the Ror average.

    "sample": "UP_Jatt:jattsheoran_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.9655,
    "Piramalai": 38.33,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 35,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 20,
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA": 6.67,
    "NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP": 0


    These were ur results from utilizing gradient descent and getting ur fits under 2 is difficult

    "sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.9171,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 45,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA--I2116 : 26.67,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 21.67,
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA": 5.83,
    "NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP": 0.83,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapporo View Post
    @agent_lime

    Do you mind removing adding RUS_West_Siberia_N to our runs?

    Also, mind doing a run with all of us using this setup you used for prashant's cousin:

    "Piramalai":
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA":
    "TKM_Parkhai_MBA":
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA":
    Here you go. I didn't understand what you wanted with West_Siberia_N.

    "sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser",
    "fit": 2.3186,
    "Piramalai": 46.67,
    "TKM_Parkhai_MBA": 25.83,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 21.67,
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA": 5.83,

    "sample": "UP_Jatt:jattsheoran_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.9634,
    "Piramalai": 40,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 35.83,
    "TKM_Parkhai_MBA": 17.5,
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA": 6.67,

    "sample": "Punjabi_Jat:aaronbee2010_AGUser",
    "fit": 2.6088,
    "Piramalai": 42.5,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 28.33,
    "TKM_Parkhai_MBA": 24.17,
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA": 5,

    "sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_AGUser",
    "fit": 2.1487,
    "Piramalai": 46.67,
    "TKM_Parkhai_MBA": 25,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 24.17,
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA": 4.17,

    "sample": "Khatri:agentlime_AGUser",
    "fit": 2.036,
    "Piramalai": 44.17,
    "TKM_Parkhai_MBA": 32.5,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 19.17,
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA": 4.17,

    "sample": "Punjab_Ramgharia:MonkeyDLuffy_AGUser",
    "fit": 2.0247,
    "Piramalai": 58.33,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 21.67,
    "TKM_Parkhai_MBA": 15,
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA": 5,

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Khanabadoshi",
    "fit": 2.5253,
    "Piramalai": 46.67,
    "TKM_Parkhai_MBA": 30.83,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 19.17,
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA": 3.33,



    ---------------------------------------------

    "sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Average",
    "fit": 1.5626,
    "Piramalai": 45.83,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25.83,
    "TKM_Parkhai_MBA": 24.17,
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA": 4.17,

    "sample": "Ror:Average",
    "fit": 1.137,
    "Piramalai": 40,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 34.17,
    "TKM_Parkhai_MBA": 19.17,
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA": 6.67,

    "sample": "Khatri:Average",
    "fit": 1.5921,
    "Piramalai": 45,
    "TKM_Parkhai_MBA": 30,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 20,
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA": 5,

    "sample": "Kamboj:Average",
    "fit": 1.4623,
    "Piramalai": 43.33,
    "TKM_Parkhai_MBA": 29.17,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25.83,
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA": 1.67,

    "sample": "Punjab_Nai:Average",
    "fit": 3.512,
    "Piramalai": 60,
    "TKM_Parkhai_MBA": 20,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 16.67,
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA": 3.33,

    "sample": "Punjabi_Lahore:Average",
    "fit": 2.1254,
    "Piramalai": 90.83,
    "KAZ_Dali_EBA": 4.17,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 3.33,
    "TKM_Parkhai_MBA": 1.67,

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    Quote Originally Posted by passion View Post
    Basically what everyone has said Indo Aryan groups of Hindukush/Karakorum(KPK, Gilgit) , after that some Baloch admixed Sindhis , Khatris etc
    Khatris are not admixed with Baloch at all, some Sindhi are but the results I saw in Gedmatch esp for some Larkana ones , they look ancient. Balochis and Sindhis are related to each other on G25

    "sample": "Balochi:Average",
    "fit": 1.2483,
    "Sindhi": 83.33,
    "IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C": 10.83,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 5,
    "MAR_Iberomaurusian": 0.83,
    "closestDistances": [

    With Khatris its a bad fit

    "sample": "Balochi:Average",
    "fit": 2.5072,
    "Khatri": 47.5,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 36.67,
    "IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C": 14.17,
    "MAR_Iberomaurusian": 1.67,
    "closestDistances": [

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