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    R1b phylogeny

    Rootsi et al, Phylogenetic applications of whole Y-chromosome sequences and the Near Eastern origin of Ashkenazi Levites, Nature Communications 4, Article number: 2928 doi:10.1038/ncomms3928

    http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/13...comms3928.html


    At last we'll have the solution also for hg. R-Z2105, because they tested many Jewish R-Z2105 and we'll be able to see their relation with Europeans and with me too who are in that line.
    Anyway the time of hg. R are what I have said: many thousands of years. We'll be able to count them exactly.
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    Then
    from P to R about 4,000 y
    from R to R1 about 3,200 y
    from R1 to R-Z2105 and R-L11 about 10,700 y
    from R-Z2105 to the line of these Jews 800 y
    between this Kurdish Jew and an Assyrian about 4,500 y

    P.S. The SNPs come from only 8,97Mbp not from the Full Y, thus the dates are higher, we don't know how much.
    Last edited by Rathna; 12-18-2013 at 06:30 AM.

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    I get "Error: page not found"

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTC View Post
    I get "Error: page not found"
    I took the link from the posts of Generalissimo and Humanist. I have the paper and the Supplements. You can see Humanist on R1b, Others, Assyrians etc. where he publishes many interesting posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathna View Post
    I took the link from the posts of Generalissimo and Humanist. I have the paper and the Supplements. You can see Humanist on R1b, Others, Assyrians etc. where he publishes many interesting posts.
    Here it is:

    http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/13...comms3928.html

    Abstract

    Previous Y-chromosome studies have demonstrated that Ashkenazi Levites, members of a paternally inherited Jewish priestly caste, display a distinctive founder event within R1a, the most prevalent Y-chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europe. Here we report the analysis of 16 whole R1 sequences and show that a set of 19 unique nucleotide substitutions defines the Ashkenazi R1a lineage. While our survey of one of these, M582, in 2,834 R1a samples reveals its absence in 922 Eastern Europeans, we show it is present in all sampled R1a Ashkenazi Levites, as well as in 33.8% of other R1a Ashkenazi Jewish males and 5.9% of 303 R1a Near Eastern males, where it shows considerably higher diversity. Moreover, the M582 lineage also occurs at low frequencies in non-Ashkenazi Jewish populations. In contrast to the previously suggested Eastern European origin for Ashkenazi Levites, the current data are indicative of a geographic source of the Levite founder lineage in the Near East and its likely presence among pre-Diaspora Hebrews.
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    Now we know that the Kurdish Jew (16881) is an R-Z2110, with the SNPs Z2103/Z2104/Z2105/Z2107 before the separation from the other 2 lines (Turkish Jew 16133 and Moroccan Jew 16886 by one side and the Assyrian 13750 on the other).
    The mutations Z2106/Z2109/Z2110 should be on his line (together with many others of course). It would lack only the SNP Z2108, probably out of this 8,97Mbp.
    But Z2110 has been found so far above all in East Europe till the Isles and perhaps in some Gypsy lines. Difficult to say if it is an ancient Jewish line or an introgressed one.

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    The Assyrian 13750 is an R-L584. Thus the other Jewish line (Turkish Jew 16133 and Moroccan Jew 16886) isn't either Z2110 nor L584.

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    The R-L584 should derive from the R-Z2103/Z2104/Z2105/Z2107 (we don't know about Z2108) but not Z2106. Then the Tuscan of 1KGP (NA20532) is on the line which brings to Z2110 but not to L584, where are probably Carnevali with its PF7580.

    P.S. But if Z2108 is with Z2109 in NA20866, it is on the line which brings to Z2110.
    Last edited by Rathna; 12-18-2013 at 09:28 AM.

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    And now the Z2103 tree is -


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    Great work, smal. I'll study it later.

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