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    Does my Gedmatch Africa 9 results suggest Sephardic genealogy?

    I'm new to Anthrogenica and I'd just like to know what you guys think. I'm just curious because as far as I know, no one has ever told me I had any Jewish ancestry. My family from what I know has always had Christian and from what I know Muslim roots too. Thanks.


    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Morocco_Jews @ 23.761833
    2 North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 25.248878
    3 Egypt @ 27.645649
    4 Egyptans @ 29.181601
    5 Jordanians @ 31.021358
    6 Druze @ 32.353802
    7 Yemenese @ 32.386143
    8 Libya @ 35.972225
    9 Tuscan @ 36.457619
    10 North_Italian @ 39.859577
    11 North_African_Dodecad @ 41.337849
    12 Bedouin @ 46.307034
    13 Algeria @ 47.836266
    14 Yemen_Jews @ 52.487114
    15 Ethiopians @ 54.569077
    16 Ethiopian_Jews @ 54.607193
    17 Morocco_N @ 55.132343
    18 East_African_Dodecad @ 55.574013
    19 Saudis @ 56.607967
    20 Moroccans @ 58.374828

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Luhya +50% Tuscan @ 18.535587


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Egypt +25% French_Basque +25% Luhya @ 4.605443


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Bantu_N.E. + Egypt + Morocco_Jews + North_Italian @ 2.763982
    2 Egypt + Luhya + Morocco_Jews + North_Italian @ 2.910366
    3 Bantu_N.E. + Egyptans + Morocco_Jews + North_Italian @ 3.055543
    4 Egyptans + Luhya + Morocco_Jews + North_Italian @ 3.116806
    5 Bantu_N.E. + Egypt + Morocco_Jews + Tuscan @ 3.383836
    6 Egypt + Luhya + Morocco_Jews + Tuscan @ 3.527832
    7 Bantu_N.E. + Egypt + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_Italian @ 3.639673
    8 Egypt + Luhya + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_Italian @ 3.771950
    9 Bantu_N.E. + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 3.796633
    10 Bantu_N.E. + Egyptans + Morocco_Jews + Tuscan @ 3.894525
    11 Egyptans + Luhya + Morocco_Jews + Tuscan @ 3.963267
    12 Bantu_N.E. + Morocco_Jews + North_Italian + Yemenese @ 4.050467
    13 Luhya + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 4.080293
    14 Bantu_N.E. + Bedouin + Egypt + French_Basque @ 4.110504
    15 Bedouin + Egypt + French_Basque + Luhya @ 4.119853
    16 Bantu_N.E. + Egyptans + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_Italian @ 4.161492
    17 Egyptans + Luhya + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_Italian @ 4.225032
    18 Luhya + Morocco_Jews + North_Italian + Yemenese @ 4.385132
    19 Egyptans + French_Basque + Jordanians + Luhya @ 4.387542
    20 Bantu_N.E. + Egyptans + French_Basque + Jordanians @ 4.420089

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    Very interesting, what's your ethnic background?

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    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 North_Italian @ 8.757828
    2 Tuscan @ 10.630793
    3 Morocco_Jews @ 23.478909
    4 North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 31.031811
    5 French_Basque @ 39.696331
    6 Druze @ 40.832825
    7 Jordanians @ 45.898335
    8 Egypt @ 50.310497
    9 Egyptans @ 52.908913
    10 North_African_Dodecad @ 55.940475
    11 Yemenese @ 58.348137
    12 Libya @ 58.571884
    13 Algeria @ 64.133705
    14 Bedouin @ 66.596794
    15 Morocco_N @ 66.600624
    16 Yemen_Jews @ 70.160851
    17 Moroccans @ 74.998871
    18 Saudis @ 75.373955
    19 Morocco_S @ 79.159416
    20 Ethiopian_Jews @ 80.905617

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Basque +50% North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 6.288646


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Basque +25% Libya +25% North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.775238


    Using 4 populations approximation:
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    1 French_Basque + Libya + North_Italian + North_Italian @ 2.748459
    2 French_Basque + Libya + North_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.535068
    3 Egypt + French_Basque + French_Basque + Morocco_Jews @ 3.566586
    4 Egypt + French_Basque + French_Basque + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.667301
    5 French_Basque + French_Basque + Libya + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.775238
    6 Druze + French_Basque + French_Basque + Libya @ 3.824831
    7 Egyptans + French_Basque + French_Basque + Morocco_Jews @ 3.924855
    8 French_Basque + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews + North_Italian @ 4.024486
    9 French_Basque + North_African_Dodecad + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 4.043004
    10 French_Basque + French_Basque + Libya + Morocco_Jews @ 4.238410
    11 Egyptans + French_Basque + French_Basque + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 4.318167
    12 Druze + French_Basque + French_Basque + North_African_Dodecad @ 4.431183
    13 French_Basque + North_African_Dodecad + North_Italian + Tuscan @ 4.692618
    14 French_Basque + Libya + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 4.805829
    15 Egypt + French_Basque + North_Italian + North_Italian @ 4.822116
    16 French_Basque + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews + Tuscan @ 5.193272
    17 French_Basque + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_Italian @ 5.313753
    18 Egyptans + French_Basque + North_Italian + North_Italian @ 5.362676
    19 French_Basque + French_Basque + Jordanians + Libya @ 5.724526
    20 French_Basque + French_Basque + Jordanians + North_African_Dodecad @ 5.745408
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    The funny thing is, I got my 23 and me results sometime last week. I'm Filipino and have been told by my each of my parents that one of their grandparents is like half Spanish or maybe a 1/4th. Basically strong evidence that they are but don't know if I fully believed them, because I've never met their grandparents( my great grandparents). I'm Filipino with some Chinese and my grandmother told me she had Chinese heritage. Anyways, Filipino came up for me strongest. Around 4 percent of that is European. Spain and Portugal popped up so my parents were right and we all know that history. But of course, not all Filipinos will that show up. My Southern European has a higher percentage than the European broadly. And that is what popped up in my 23 and me results. Plus Native American. But if I were to consider myself, and had to choose 1 of course i'd say my heritage is Filipino.
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    Interesting. I'm new to Gedmatch and this geneology info in general. But it looks similar to mine from what I can tell.

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    Forgot to say that this was the Dodecad test Oracle 4

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    My father's .


    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 North_Italian @ 5.581299
    2 Tuscan @ 7.202700
    3 Morocco_Jews @ 23.844877
    4 North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 31.080280
    5 French_Basque @ 39.094494
    6 Druze @ 40.015751
    7 Jordanians @ 45.592842
    8 Egypt @ 51.117016
    9 Egyptans @ 53.666058
    10 Yemenese @ 58.621128
    11 North_African_Dodecad @ 58.874195
    12 Libya @ 60.556709
    13 Bedouin @ 66.459702
    14 Algeria @ 67.143570
    15 Yemen_Jews @ 69.732094
    16 Morocco_N @ 69.814011
    17 Saudis @ 74.933975
    18 Moroccans @ 78.106216
    19 Morocco_S @ 82.298759
    20 Ethiopian_Jews @ 82.402306

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Basque +50% North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 4.157722


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Basque +25% Jordanians +25% North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.003008


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    +++++++++++++
    1 French_Basque + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews + North_Italian @ 1.259902
    2 French_Basque + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews + Tuscan @ 2.910490
    3 French_Basque + French_Basque + Jordanians + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.003008
    4 Egypt + French_Basque + North_Italian + North_Italian @ 3.011452
    5 French_Basque + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_Italian @ 3.158225
    6 Egypt + French_Basque + French_Basque + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.306976
    7 French_Basque + French_Basque + Jordanians + Morocco_Jews @ 3.404863
    8 Egypt + French_Basque + French_Basque + Morocco_Jews @ 3.706385
    9 Egyptans + French_Basque + North_Italian + North_Italian @ 3.780428
    10 Egypt + French_Basque + North_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.889247
    11 Egyptans + French_Basque + French_Basque + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.969830
    12 French_Basque + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 3.984193
    13 Morocco_Jews + North_Italian + North_Italian + North_Italian @ 3.985687
    14 French_Basque + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.991382
    15 Egyptans + French_Basque + French_Basque + Morocco_Jews @ 4.012462
    16 Bedouin + French_Basque + French_Basque + Morocco_Jews @ 4.120275
    17 Druze + French_Basque + French_Basque + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 4.153821
    18 French_Basque + French_Basque + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 4.157722
    19 French_Basque + Morocco_Jews + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 4.193604
    20 Druze + Egypt + French_Basque + French_Basque @ 4.303442

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    Here's mine:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Europe 67.85
    2 SW_Asia 25.33
    3 NW_Africa 5.27
    4 San 0.78
    5 Biaka 0.78

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 North_Italian 6.58
    2 Tuscan 6.86
    3 Morocco_Jews 24.54
    4 North_African_Jews (Dodecad) 32.22
    5 Druze 41.47
    6 French_Basque 42.84
    7 Jordanians 47.58
    8 Egypt 53.69
    9 Egyptans 56.35
    10 North_African (Dodecad) 60.85
    11 Yemenese 61.46
    12 Libya 63.57
    13 Algeria 69.42
    14 Bedouin 69.93
    15 Morocco_N 71.62
    16 Yemen_Jews 73.27
    17 Saudis 78.81
    18 Moroccans 80.65
    19 Ethiopian_Jews 83.46
    20 Ethiopians 83.49

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 57.1% North_African_Jews (Dodecad) + 42.9% French_Basque @ 1.33
    2 90.8% North_Italian + 9.2% Libya @ 1.52
    3 63.6% Morocco_Jews + 36.4% French_Basque @ 1.63
    4 90.5% North_Italian + 9.5% North_African (Dodecad) @ 1.66
    5 91.6% North_Italian + 8.4% Algeria @ 1.77
    6 93.7% North_Italian + 6.3% Sahara_OCC @ 2.05
    7 92.8% North_Italian + 7.2% Moroccans @ 2.05
    8 92.1% North_Italian + 7.9% Morocco_N @ 2.33
    9 93.3% North_Italian + 6.7% Morocco_S @ 2.53
    10 94.4% North_Italian + 5.6% Mozabite @ 2.92
    11 80.6% North_Italian + 19.4% Morocco_Jews @ 3.01
    12 90.2% North_Italian + 9.8% Egypt @ 3.05
    13 94.3% North_Italian + 5.7% TUNISIA @ 3.06
    14 90.7% North_Italian + 9.3% Egyptans @ 3.17
    15 85.3% North_Italian + 14.7% North_African_Jews (Dodecad) @ 3.6
    16 93.9% North_Italian + 6.1% East_African (Dodecad) @ 3.73
    17 93.9% North_Italian + 6.1% Ethiopian_Jews @ 3.74
    18 93.9% North_Italian + 6.1% Ethiopians @ 3.77
    19 92% North_Italian + 8% Yemenese @ 3.81
    20 94.9% North_Italian + 5.1% Fulani @ 4.07

    Moroccan and North African Jews are the leading African population for me by some distance. I do have some Jewish ancestry, but as a European Africa9 is next to useless for me.

    Try searching your one-to-many for Jewish matches. Names alone can't predict though (I have a fully Ashkenazi male match with the surname Smith), so run in Jtest. If fully Ashkenazi, they should score about 28% Ashkenazi, indicating that you do indeed have some Jewish ancestry. Given your history of Spanish/Portuguese ancestry I'd say it likely you have some Marrano ancestry anyway, as do many Ashkenazim.
    Ethnogene (most accurate so far IMO): Frisian 2.8%, Scottish 19.2%, Welsh 2.4%, English 29.0%, Irish 31.7%, Cornish 1.9%, Irish Traveller 4.0%, French 2.6%, Dutch 1.0%, German 1.8%, Western Indian 1.1%, Central/Southern Ashkenazi 1.0%, Norwegian 1.5%

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    Nice! Similar to yours. I see a lot of French Basque. Cool! Well everything is cool!

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    Interesting. I've never heard of the "Marrano" term before but have now looked it up. It's possible. I'm thinking based on these results, someone who had Jewish ancestry, from Morocco and/or North Africa migrated to Spain, and then their descendants, probably down the line converted. And then down the line, one of those descendants could have been on one of those excursions to conquer what is now called The Philippines (since before it was conquered it was probably named something else I just realized because it's coined after King Phillip II apparently). It could be possible. Just trying to build a story of how it all happened.
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