Dacian/Getae dna from any period?

[SecretExplorer]

Do we have samples (or GEDmatch kits) for any Dacian (Getae) person?

Unfortunately, the sites like MyTrueAncestry.com also don't have Dacian samples in their database, at least I didn't find the Dacian or Getae category in the list of the civilizations.

[spruithean]

Do we have samples (or GEDmatch kits) for any Dacian (Getae) person?

Unfortunately, the sites like MyTrueAncestry.com also don't have Dacian samples in their database, at least I didn't find the Dacian or Getae category in the list of the civilizations.

I'm not sure we have any samples from Dacians or the Getae, although there are these following samples to run in gedmatch, not sure if these individuals were affiliated with Thracians:

M030961 K8 Bulgaria_IA (450-400 BC)
M212372 P192-1 Bulgaria_IA (800-500 BC) U3b E-M78>Z1919
M540478 T2G2 Bulgaria_IA (850-700 BC) HV(16311)
M777769 V2 Bulgaria_LBA (1500-1100 BC)

Keep in mind the sample qualities are kind of poor so that can definitely skew the results.

EDIT: Hmm, it seems these samples were removed from GEDmatch...

Here are some studies associated with Thracians:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3824117/
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-41945-0

[SecretExplorer]

Thank you! Yes I know, Thracians and Dacians maybe have some connections. Thanks for the studies. I hope one day we can test some samples.

[Dorkymon]

Do we have samples (or GEDmatch kits) for any Dacian (Getae) person?

Unfortunately, the sites like MyTrueAncestry.com also don't have Dacian samples in their database, at least I didn't find the Dacian or Getae category in the list of the civilizations.

Yes and no, we have a couple of samples, which are labelled as Scythians but were identified as Getae by a Russian archeologist. So that's a bit far from the Dacian core.

Here's a PCA with them and moderns. They are the 3 Moldova Iron Age samples.

[rozenfeld]

This sample may be relevant:

I5769, Iron Age, 500-400 BCE

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778
doi:10.1038/nature25778

I5769
mtDNA: H

Dzhulyunitsa (8 individuals)

The Early Neolithic settlement of Dzhulyunitsa-Smardesh is located in north central Bulgaria, near the slanting northern slopes of the Pre-Balkan, where it is conterminal with the Danubian plain. This area is part of the Middle Yantra river valley which belongs to the Lower Danube catchment. The site is situated on the first unflooded terrace, in a field called Smardesh, at an altitude of between 70 and 77 m. It is 4 km south of the current location of the Yantra and 2-3 km west of its tributaries - the rivers Stara and Zlatarishka. The Early Neolithc site occupies approximately 10 hectares, decreasing in its final phase to ~0.5 ha.4,5 Dzhulyunitsa-Smardesh has been excavated from 2001 up to present, revealing that the terrace was inhabited through all periods. Graves were unearthed dating to the Late Iron Age, Early Bronze Age, Late Chalcolithic and Early Neolithic. The Late Chalcolithic graves probably belong to a necropolis situated SE of the Chalcolithic settlement.

I5769 / No 8 (Iron Age, grave 9)

Sub-adult female. This Iron Age burial was found in an oval pit in sq. 3611. The skeleton in flexed position and is turned to the east. Orientation of the body is SE-NW, with the head to SE. The grave inventory consists of ornamental beads and 21 metal (probably copper) ornaments smaller than 5 mm.

[SecretExplorer]

Thanks rozenfeld. I found a test on an other forum, but I also found and tested the GEDmatch kit for the I5769, Iron Age, 500-400 BCE. The GEDmatch kit number is: JD6924634

Eurogenes K15 results:

 

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 28.65
2 East_Med 26.64
3 North_Sea 15.14
4 Atlantic 12.54
5 West_Asian 9.66
6 Red_Sea 3.72
7 Baltic 3.65

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan 11.98
2 South_Italian 12.54
3 West_Sicilian 12.55
4 East_Sicilian 12.78
5 Central_Greek 13.11
6 Italian_Abruzzo 13.68
7 Greek_Thessaly 13.77
8 Italian_Jewish 14.15
9 Algerian_Jewish 15.17
10 Ashkenazi 15.36
11 North_Italian 15.49
12 Greek 15.57
13 Sephardic_Jewish 16.87
14 Libyan_Jewish 19.2
15 Tunisian_Jewish 20.2
16 Portuguese 21.5
17 Bulgarian 21.51
18 Spanish_Extremadura 21.65
19 Spanish_Galicia 21.91
20 Spanish_Andalucia 22.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.3% Central_Greek + 32.7% Sardinian @ 7.43
2 68.2% East_Sicilian + 31.8% Sardinian @ 7.5
3 68.9% South_Italian + 31.1% Sardinian @ 7.51
4 62.8% Ashkenazi + 37.2% Sardinian @ 8.1
5 65.5% Italian_Jewish + 34.5% Sardinian @ 8.13
6 66.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 33.2% Sardinian @ 8.24
7 66.8% Greek_Thessaly + 33.2% Sardinian @ 8.48
8 71.3% West_Sicilian + 28.7% Sardinian @ 9.01
9 56.2% Libyan_Jewish + 43.8% Sardinian @ 9.47
10 75.4% Tuscan + 24.6% Sardinian @ 9.75
11 60.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 39.2% Sardinian @ 9.78
12 64.8% Algerian_Jewish + 35.2% Sardinian @ 9.79
13 58.2% North_Italian + 41.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 10.12
14 54.3% Italian_Jewish + 45.7% North_Italian @ 10.2
15 54.4% Sardinian + 45.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 10.22
16 59.2% Sardinian + 40.8% Assyrian @ 10.29
17 51% Algerian_Jewish + 49% North_Italian @ 10.32
18 58.6% Sardinian + 41.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 10.32
19 73.2% South_Italian + 26.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 10.35
20 66.8% Italian_Jewish + 33.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 10.41

Based on this, I prefer an ancient Greek / Italian origin for this person. Not Dacian/Thracian. Or what do you think?

[rozenfeld]

Well, we don't have reasonable number of samples to make judgement whether these samples are representative of Dacians/Thracians/Getae. I mean, I hope there will be more publications.

[Dibran]

Based on this, I prefer an ancient Greek / Italian origin for this person. Not Dacian/Thracian. Or what do you think?

You're interpreting it too literally. Ancient Thracian samples were further South/Neolithic shifted than Greeks. Doesn't make them Greek.

[spruithean]

Well, we don't have reasonable number of samples to make judgement whether these samples are representative of Dacians/Thracians/Getae. I mean, I hope there will be more publications.

Let's hope so! It would be really nice to learn more about the Dacians/Thracians/Getae.

[SecretExplorer]

You're interpreting it too literally. Ancient Thracian samples were further South/Neolithic shifted than Greeks. Doesn't make them Greek.

You're right. But what do you think (and all who read this), which gedmatch test would be most informative with this sample? (Or other sample, hopefully a Dacian one day.)