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    could you run me @scobar?

    Also if youre using the Kerala Nair average - i wouldnt unless the Nambiars are split out (Poi cmon man, i asked you like 3 times ) , theres quite a bit of variance there to the point where I get Iyer average as closer

    Kalashviv is a mixed Brahmin + South Kerala Nair sample, so might be a bit of noise if using him as reference

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    Quote Originally Posted by scobar View Post
    I wanted to include misanthropy and 26284729292 in the runs too, but couldn't find their co-ords. Would be great if someone can provide.
    Iíll PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by scobar View Post
     


    So here's the updated model using pop averages. I averaged the GujaratiA and GujaratiB samples too, but a reminder that I labelled them A and B from the G25 sheet myself based on how they modeled as explained in the first post.

    Attachment 31155


    Here are the same AG member & Nair/UP Brahmin runs again. I'm including the single item distance this time as well.
    Again, these are all pen=0 runs and default penalty runs in this model should be similar to your G25 full moderns run.

    "distance%=0.8971" - Censored

    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%

    Kol Punjabi_Lahore GujaratiB
    1.142912 1.301036 1.367371
    Kerala_Nair:Kalashviv GujaratiA Velamas Iyer Bengali_Bangladesh
    1.457258 1.480639 1.520770 1.522213 1.600893

    Kol,27.1
    Mala,21.6
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,12.7
    Kerala_Nair,12.3
    Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu,11.1
    Chechen,7.2
    GujaratiA,2.8
    Srubnaya_MLBA_o,2.1
    Bhumij,1.3
    Ethiopian_Gumuz,1.2
    Japanese,0.5
    Ethiopian_Ari_blacksmith,0.1


    "distance%=0.8633" - Scobar

    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%

    Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu Iyer Punjabi_Lahore Brahmin_West_Bengal
    1.624577 1.771387 1.827982 1.859953
    Velamas Kshatriya Kol Kerala_Nair:Kalashviv
    2.000418 2.033814 2.049908 2.122169

    Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu,54.8
    Pulliyar,25.3
    Greek_Central_Anatolia,6.4
    Ganj_Dareh_N,5.2
    Chechen,2.3
    Ethiopian_Gumuz,2
    Ethiopian_Oromo,1.6
    Greenlander_East,1.2
    Hawaiian,1
    Velamas,0.2


    "distance%=1.0698" - Frost

    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"

    Brahmin_West_Bengal Iyer Kshatriya Kol
    1.680631 1.970085 2.032431 2.078242
    Punjabi_Lahore GujaratiA Kerala_Nair:Kalashviv Bengali_Bangladesh
    2.085172 2.112798 2.173269 2.240635

    Mala,30.7
    Kerala_Nair,18
    Srubnaya_MLBA_o,9.5
    Maratha,9.4
    Sintashta_MLBA_o2,9.3
    Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh,6.5
    GujaratiA,5.5
    Berber_Morocco_TIZ,5.2
    Tibetan,2.5
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2,2.4
    Irula,1


    "distance%=0.7045" - Mandoos

    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%

    GujaratiA Iyer GujaratiB Punjabi_Lahore
    1.027651 1.061769 1.062012 1.286679
    Kol Kerala_Nair:Kalashviv Brahmin_West_Bengal Velamas
    1.315628 1.447515 1.472962 1.522079

    Mala,28.4
    Kol,21.5
    Balochi,19.3
    Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh,16.2
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,7.6
    Kerala_Nair,4.4
    Berber_Morocco_TIZ,1.5
    Gupta,0.6
    Han,0.5


    "distance%=0.5207" - Rusty

    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%

    Iyer Kshatriya Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu Brahmin_Gujarat
    1.241029 1.578924 1.649682 1.660869
    Brahmin_West_Bengal GujaratiA GujaratiB Punjabi_Lahore
    1.699351 1.703171 1.726490 1.769737

    Velamas,31.8
    Balochi,21
    Mala,20.5
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,7.9
    Ganj_Dareh_N,5.3
    Kol,3.4
    Ethiopian_Afar,3
    Iranian_Jew,2
    Kshatriya,1.5
    French_South,1.3
    Hawaiian,1.2
    Bhumij,0.7
    Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh,0.4


    "distance%=0.707" - Kulin

    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%

    Brahmin_West_Bengal Bengali_Bangladesh Punjabi_Lahore Kshatriya
    1.574602 1.611390 1.685762 1.705416
    Iyer Kol Kerala_Nair:Kalashviv GujaratiA
    1.785543 2.069077 2.072414 2.101807

    Kshatriya,31.9
    Mala,24.1
    Balochi,11.3
    Bhumij,9.7
    Cambodian,5.5
    Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh,4.4
    Brahmin_Nepali,4
    Tharu,3.8
    Mongolian,2.1
    Yemenite_Al_Jawf,0.9
    Ethiopian_Amhara,0.7
    Pulliyar,0.7
    Jarawa,0.4
    Sintashta_MLBA_o3,0.4
    Eskimo_Chaplin,0.1


    "distance%=0.8344" - Kalashviv, when run w/ Nair sample removed from the model.

    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%

    Kol Punjabi_Lahore GujaratiB Iyer
    1.294515 1.360623 1.406960 1.516128
    Velamas GujaratiA Brahmin_West_Bengal Bengali_Bangladesh
    1.555056 1.611115 1.687700 1.733569

    Mala,35.8
    Kol,32.2
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1,12.5
    Tharu,8
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2,4.3
    Gupta,2.4
    Saami,1.8
    French_South,1.2
    Tibetan,1.1
    Ganj_Dareh_N,0.4
    Srubnaya_MLBA,0.3


    "distance%=1.1583" - Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh; UP brahmin average when run with the pop avg removed from the model.

    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%

    GujaratiA Kshatriya Brahmin_West_Bengal Iyer
    1.557963 1.632492 1.675473 1.690037
    GujaratiB Brahmin_Gujarat Kol Punjabi_Lahore
    1.822445 1.921482 2.142703 2.217855

    GujaratiA,72
    Gupta,12.3
    Sarazm_Eneolithic,4.8
    English_Cornwall,4.5
    Sintashta_MLBA_o1,4.4
    Brahmin_Nepali,1.2
    Ethiopian_Gumuz,0.5
    Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator,0.3


    Individual UP brahmin samples, when run against the model with the UP brahmin pop avg removed

    "distance%=1.5349" - Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh:177e

    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%

    Brahmin_Gujarat Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu Gujar Iyer
    1.950901 2.026413 2.340004 2.387225
    Brahmin_West_Bengal Kshatriya Khatri Sindhi
    2.511543 2.530790 2.577925 2.651402

    Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu,68.1
    Sintashta_MLBA_o1,8.8
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,7.3
    Ganj_Dareh_N,5.3
    Gupta,4.4
    Japanese,3.6
    Sintashta_MLBA_o2,2.1
    Sintashta_MLBA,0.4


    "distance%=2.2924" - Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh:BR008

    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%

    GujaratiA Iyer Brahmin_West_Bengal Kshatriya
    2.597569 2.777037 2.784803 2.795934
    Brahmin_Gujarat GujaratiB Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu Punjabi_Lahore
    2.833455 2.999036 3.108464 3.202049

    GujaratiA,84.1
    Srubnaya_MLBA_o,7
    Berber_Morocco_ERR,5.4
    Sarazm_Eneolithic,2.2
    BedouinB,1.3


    "distance%=2.2979" - Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh:BR052

    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%

    Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu Brahmin_West_Bengal Iyer Kol
    2.586629 2.864934 2.933066 2.965847
    Kshatriya Brahmin_Gujarat Punjabi_Lahore GujaratiA
    3.016163 3.025309 3.052260 3.116804

    Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu,40.7
    Kol,23.8
    Maratha,17.6
    Sintashta_MLBA_o2,12
    Sintashta_MLBA_o1,3.9
    Japanese,1.9
    Berber_Morocco_TIZ,0.1


    Let me know if you want me to run any of your co-ords too.
    I have no idea why I'm scoring so much Berber TIZ (comparatively). I don't think I've ever scored any berber like population any run before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoney View Post
    could you run me @scobar?

    Also if youre using the Kerala Nair average - i wouldnt unless the Nambiars are split out (Poi cmon man, i asked you like 3 times ) , theres quite a bit of variance there to the point where I get Iyer average as closer

    Kalashviv is a mixed Brahmin + South Kerala Nair sample, so might be a bit of noise if using him as reference
    Oh..yes I'm using him as a Nair sample..the only one. If Poi/you could provide me with Nair & Kerala brahmin averages that'd be great. Also, the nepali brahmin in the datasheet is Poi. So would be nice to have Nepali Brahmin average too. And Sinhalese as well if someone has them. So just have the lone samples of Kalshviv and Poi for those two pops, everything else in the model is pop averages.

    For anyone requesting, do post your unscaled co-ordinates..I don't know an easy way of getting these..unless they can be extracted from the web runner.
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    Kinda off topic but this reminds me, of something I wanted to ask before, why do people use Morocco_Iberomaurusian to sieve out European ancestry?

    it is said that Iberomaurisian cultural affinities can be seen among southwestern European folk during the LGM along with a measured physical deviation towards the Iberomaurisian form(this is all non-genetic inference). Although Iberomaurisians did not seem to have a genetic impact on Europeans that is measurable, Sintashta was canonically European, so I don't understand how it would work in terms of sieving out European ancestry vs Steppe related.

    It's possible that Iberians acquired more recent Iberomaurisian-like admixture from Moors, and hence their "SSA" affinity that often shows up, but this should only apply to them(and not to anyone else in Europe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrostAssassin0701 View Post
    I have no idea why I'm scoring so much Berber TIZ (comparatively). I don't think I've ever scored any berber like population any run before.
    Here's what the avg Berber Morocco TIZ models like in this model and a full ancients run -

     
    Full ancients

    "distance%=0.3569" - Berber_Morocco_TIZ

    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%
    Iberia_Central_CA_Afr:I4246 Morocco_LN:KEB.4 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7457 Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3575 Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3581
    4.137891 5.729221 6.785767 6.914893 7.053883
    Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3576 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I8146 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I12644
    7.073721 7.079692 7.269360


    Morocco_Iberomaurusian,37
    Tanzania_Pemba_700BP,11.4
    Barcin_N,10.2
    Iberia_East_IA,7
    LBKT_MN,4.8
    Peloponnese_N,4.2
    Tisza_LN,4
    Morocco_EN,3.8
    Balkans_ChL,2.4
    Levant_N,2.4
    Germany_Medieval,1.4
    Lepenski_Vir,1.4
    Levant_BA_North,1.4
    Levant_ChL,1.4
    Beaker_Poland,1.2
    Tepe_Hissar_ChL,1
    Wezmeh_Cave_N,1
    Anatolia_MLBA_low_res,0.8
    Iberia_Central_CA_Afr,0.8
    Abdul_Hosein_N,0.4
    Balkans_N,0.4
    Ganj_Dareh_N,0.4
    Koros_N,0.4
    Maros,0.4
    ALPc_MN,0.2
    Morocco_LN,0.2


    Compact Moderns+Ancients SA

    "distance%=7.7306" - Berber_Morocco_TIZ

    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%
    Egyptian BedouinA Portuguese Greek_Crete French_South Yemenite_Amran Greek French
    7.897591 8.530301 8.624878 9.563020 9.631813 9.819431 9.862820 9.863773

    Egyptian,68
    Portuguese,26.4
    Gambian,5.6
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    FYI all..the model uses unscaled co-ordinates

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26284729292 View Post
    I’ll PM
    "distance%=0.9418" - 26284729292

    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"

    Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu Iyer GujaratiA Brahmin_West_Bengal
    1.148368 1.306072 1.397646 1.509837
    Kshatriya GujaratiB Punjabi_Lahore Kol
    1.535460 1.564183 1.642040 1.810387

    Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu,55.6
    GujaratiA,32.6
    Velamas,6.4
    Japanese,2.4
    Eskimo_Sireniki,2.2
    Dinka,0.8


    EDIT - Adding the individuals model run here fyi..you don't have any recent european or east asian ancestry by any chance?

    "distance%=0.4933" - 26284729292

    Brahmin_West_Bengal:BR2_7 Brahmin_Gujarat:GBR-20 Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB001 Iyer:IR-1-11
    1.234828 1.293909 1.313545 1.322271
    Brahmin_Gujarat:GBR-3 Brahmin_West_Bengal:BR2_19 Brahmin_West_Bengal:BR2_3 Iyer:IR-1-5
    1.367845 1.371350 1.388524 1.394131

    Brahmin_Gujarat,34.8
    Velamas,20.2
    Sindhi,17.4
    Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh,6.8
    GujaratiA,5.4
    Dutch,3
    Maratha,3
    Gujar,2.4
    Japanese,2.4
    Punjabi_Lahore,2.4
    Eskimo_Sireniki,0.6
    Irula,0.6
    Mala,0.6
    GujaratiB,0.4
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    Quote Originally Posted by scobar View Post
    "distance%=0.9418" - 26284729292

    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"

    Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu Iyer GujaratiA Brahmin_West_Bengal
    1.148368 1.306072 1.397646 1.509837
    Kshatriya GujaratiB Punjabi_Lahore Kol
    1.535460 1.564183 1.642040 1.810387

    Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu,55.6
    GujaratiA,32.6
    Velamas,6.4
    Japanese,2.4
    Eskimo_Sireniki,2.2
    Dinka,0.8


    EDIT - Adding the individuals model run here fyi..you don't have any recent european or east asian ancestry by any chance?

    "distance%=0.4933" - 26284729292

    Brahmin_West_Bengal:BR2_7 Brahmin_Gujarat:GBR-20 Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB001 Iyer:IR-1-11
    1.234828 1.293909 1.313545 1.322271
    Brahmin_Gujarat:GBR-3 Brahmin_West_Bengal:BR2_19 Brahmin_West_Bengal:BR2_3 Iyer:IR-1-5
    1.367845 1.371350 1.388524 1.394131

    Brahmin_Gujarat,34.8
    Velamas,20.2
    Sindhi,17.4
    Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh,6.8
    GujaratiA,5.4
    Dutch,3
    Maratha,3
    Gujar,2.4
    Japanese,2.4
    Punjabi_Lahore,2.4
    Eskimo_Sireniki,0.6
    Irula,0.6
    Mala,0.6
    GujaratiB,0.4
    Not that I know of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoney View Post
    could you run me @scobar?

    Also if youre using the Kerala Nair average - i wouldnt unless the Nambiars are split out (Poi cmon man, i asked you like 3 times ) , theres quite a bit of variance there to the point where I get Iyer average as closer

    Kalashviv is a mixed Brahmin + South Kerala Nair sample, so might be a bit of noise if using him as reference
    Do give me your co-ords too..I can't get these from the web runner and don't remember where you posted them.

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