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    2,000-year-old biblical texts found in Israel, 1st since Dead Sea Scrolls

    https://www.jpost.com/archaeology/is...scripts-662148

    Also, the remains of a child:

    ""On moving two flat stones, we discovered a shallow pit intentionally dug beneath them, containing a skeleton of a child placed in a fetal position,” IAA prehistorian Ronit Lupu explained.

    “It was obvious that whoever buried the child had wrapped him up and pushed the edges of the cloth beneath him, just as a parent covers his child in a blanket," she said. "A small bundle of cloth was clutched in the child's hands. The child's skeleton and the cloth wrapping were remarkably well preserved, and because of the climatic conditions in the cave, a process of natural mummification had taken place; the skin, tendons, and even the hair were partially preserved, despite the passage of time.""

    Not clear from which period or if the DNA was available.

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    Says the kid is 6000 years old (4000 BCE), so I guess he/she will be most similar to Levant Chl.
    Ελευθερία ή θάνατος.

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    Maybe Ghassulian?

    Origins
    The main culture of the Chalcolithic era in Israel is the Ghassulian culture, named after the name of its type-site, Teleilat el-Ghassul, located in the eastern part of the Jordan Rift Valley, opposite Jericho. Afterwards, many additional settlements, located in other archaeological sites, were identified as Ghassulian settlements. All these settlements had been built in areas that had not been previously inhabited, mainly on the outskirts of populated areas. Thus, Chalcolithic settlements have been discovered in the Jordan Rift Valley, in the Israeli coastal plain and on its fringes, in the Judaean Desert and in the northern and western Negev. On the other hand, it seems that people of the Chalcolithic period did not settle in the mountainous regions of Israel or in northern Israel. Several facts allow us to assume that the carriers of this culture were immigrants who had brought their own culture with them: all excavated sites represent an advanced stage of this culture, whereas no evidence of its nascent stages has been discovered, so far, anywhere in the region. This culture's characteristics indicate they had connections with neighboring regions and that their culture had not evolved in the southern Levant. Their origins are not known.[6][8]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghassulian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    Says the kid is 6000 years old (4000 BCE), so I guess he/she will be most similar to Levant Chl.
    I have a problem with reading comprehension...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post

    That would be interesting. I'm a Y-DNA T so I have a special place in my heart for Ghassulian culture. Let's hope they get the DNA and its a boy...
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    Speaking of the scrolls themselves, while the article does mention that the scrolls are in Greek and that the divine name is written in Paleo-Hebrew, it does not dwell on this, which is a shame really because these finds are in a league of their own.

    The manuscripts from Nahal Hever consist of numerous fragments which are Greek translations of the Shnem Asar (or 12 Minor Prophets). Here's one of the fragments from that cave (8Hev):

     


    What you're seeing here is part of the book of Zechariah, chapter nine starts on the right column, third line:

    ΛΗΜΜΑ λόγου יהוה ἐ[ν γῇ Σεδρὰχ] καὶ Δαμασκοῦ [...]

    I have highlighted the divine name in Paleo-Hebrew where one would expect the Greek "kyrios". The other fragments from that cave are no different:

     



    The practice of writing down the divine name in Paleo-Hebrew is a recurring feature of the Qumran manuscripts, one so pervasive that it is also found in some of the Hebrew scrolls, take the Great Psalms Scroll for instance (11Q5):

     


    The Jewish scribal practice here is extremely conservative, so conservative in fact that we even have a scroll that is entirely written in the old Paleo-Hebrew script, the famous Paleo-Hebrew Leviticus scroll (11QPaleoLev), I have recently transliterated and transcribed part of it (Leviticus 24:10-14) in the square Hebrew script:

     


    While the text differs in some ways from the Masoretic text, it is extremely close to the Proto-Masoretic text. Likewise, the Greek text differs in a number of ways from the Septuagint.
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    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    Speaking of the scrolls themselves, while the article does mention that the scrolls are in Greek and that the divine name is written in Paleo-Hebrew, it does not dwell on this, which is a shame really because these finds are in a league of their own.

    The manuscripts from Nahal Hever consist of numerous fragments which are Greek translations of the Shnem Asar (or 12 Minor Prophets). Here's one of the fragments from that cave (8Hev):



    While the text differs in some ways from the Masoretic text, it is extremely close to the Proto-Masoretic text. Likewise, the Greek text differs in a number of ways from the Septuagint.
    Thanks for posting this -- I did not realize how clear the writing was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post

    While the text differs in some ways from the Masoretic text, it is extremely close to the Proto-Masoretic text. Likewise, the Greek text differs in a number of ways from the Septuagint.
    As I mentioned in a discussion I had about this find elsewhere, we could be looking at a whole new Greek translation of the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible), independent of the Septuagint, and perhaps a Judean version used by Hellenistic Judean Jews.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    Speaking of the scrolls themselves, while the article does mention that the scrolls are in Greek and that the divine name is written in Paleo-Hebrew, it does not dwell on this, which is a shame really because these finds are in a league of their own.

    The manuscripts from Nahal Hever consist of numerous fragments which are Greek translations of the Shnem Asar (or 12 Minor Prophets). Here's one of the fragments from that cave (8Hev):

     


    What you're seeing here is part of the book of Zechariah, chapter nine starts on the right column, third line:

    ΛΗΜΜΑ λόγου יהוה ἐ[ν γῇ Σεδρὰχ] καὶ Δαμασκοῦ [...]

    I have highlighted the divine name in Paleo-Hebrew where one would expect the Greek "kyrios". The other fragments from that cave are no different:

     



    The practice of writing down the divine name in Paleo-Hebrew is a recurring feature of the Qumran manuscripts, one so pervasive that it is also found in some of the Hebrew scrolls, take the Great Psalms Scroll for instance (11Q5):

     


    The Jewish scribal practice here is extremely conservative, so conservative in fact that we even have a scroll that is entirely written in the old Paleo-Hebrew script, the famous Paleo-Hebrew Leviticus scroll (11QPaleoLev), I have recently transliterated and transcribed part of it (Leviticus 24:10-14) in the square Hebrew script:

     


    While the text differs in some ways from the Masoretic text, it is extremely close to the Proto-Masoretic text. Likewise, the Greek text differs in a number of ways from the Septuagint.
    Know of anywhere where I can find those differences discussed in more detail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    Speaking of the scrolls themselves, while the article does mention that the scrolls are in Greek and that the divine name is written in Paleo-Hebrew, it does not dwell on this, which is a shame really because these finds are in a league of their own.

    The manuscripts from Nahal Hever consist of numerous fragments which are Greek translations of the Shnem Asar (or 12 Minor Prophets). Here's one of the fragments from that cave (8Hev):

     


    What you're seeing here is part of the book of Zechariah, chapter nine starts on the right column, third line:

    ΛΗΜΜΑ λόγου יהוה ἐ[ν γῇ Σεδρὰχ] καὶ Δαμασκοῦ [...]

    I have highlighted the divine name in Paleo-Hebrew where one would expect the Greek "kyrios". The other fragments from that cave are no different:

     



    The practice of writing down the divine name in Paleo-Hebrew is a recurring feature of the Qumran manuscripts, one so pervasive that it is also found in some of the Hebrew scrolls, take the Great Psalms Scroll for instance (11Q5):

     


    The Jewish scribal practice here is extremely conservative, so conservative in fact that we even have a scroll that is entirely written in the old Paleo-Hebrew script, the famous Paleo-Hebrew Leviticus scroll (11QPaleoLev), I have recently transliterated and transcribed part of it (Leviticus 24:10-14) in the square Hebrew script:

     


    While the text differs in some ways from the Masoretic text, it is extremely close to the Proto-Masoretic text. Likewise, the Greek text differs in a number of ways from the Septuagint.
    These academic editions of the Bible do from what I've read (since I understand neither Hebrew nor Greek and haven't looked in these editions) include several different readings which originate from several scriptures found at several excavation sites and libraries; so what you're writing is that these newly found scriptures don't even resemble any of these alternative readings?
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