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    I think L51 was just farther west than Z2103 to begin with or for some reason the luck of the draw put it in the right place at the right time.

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    Y-DNA: R1b-FGC36981 (L21> DF13> Z39589> CTS2501> Z43690> Y8426> BY160> FGC36974>FGC36982 >FGC36981)

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    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
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    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    The question that pops into my head is why lack of steppe land would be a problem for Z2103 but not for L51.

    Are you saying L51 was from someplace other than the steppe?

    According to Kristiansen, CW cut down a lot of trees and burned huge swathes of territory to create steppe-like pasture land.
    Forest clearance/ woodsman skills is probably something that open steppe people had v little experience of but was as a staple of farmers practicing good adually shifting settlement location as soil exhausted. Interestingly GAC is especially associated with forested areas. CW settlements appear to have been avoidant of already settled core farming areas. So clearance of trees was likely crucial regardless of what the exact subsistence model was. The paper is interesting in that it seems to suggest that initially CW in settlements (rather than burials) looks like there was a significant continuity of local settlement traditions and therefore local people. It’s only later that the settlements start becoming very hard to find and ephemeral in nature more in line with a semi mobile life. That suggests to me that the first phase was probably modest numbers of steppe invaders who essentially were parasitic and took tribute off the local farming population. In the later phase the steppe group’s population has probably grown too much for them to live like that and they had to provide more if their own subsistence. It could even be in that sort of shift that lineages among the steppe element in CW other than R1a started to expand.

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