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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Do you mind running Eurogenes K15 on #56 please? His seems like a "toned down" version of mine

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 33.70
    2 West_Med 21.25
    3 North_Sea 18.27
    4 East_Med 13.86
    5 Baltic 3.73
    6 Red_Sea 3.32
    7 Eastern_Euro 2.83
    8 Sub-Saharan 1.20
    9 Northeast_African 1.10


    Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
    15 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Spanish_Valencia @ 5.279475
    2 Spanish_Murcia @ 5.502508
    3 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 6.117667
    4 Spanish_Aragon @ 6.184601
    5 Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.561687
    6 Spanish_Extremadura @ 7.262232
    7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 7.827394
    8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 8.388456
    9 Spanish_Cantabria @ 8.839436
    10 Portuguese @ 9.369029
    11 Southwest_French @ 10.052444
    12 Spanish_Galicia @ 12.008325
    13 North_Italian @ 13.087497
    14 French_Basque @ 16.967804
    15 French @ 17.291950
    16 Tuscan @ 19.050699
    17 South_Dutch @ 21.904808
    18 West_Sicilian @ 24.619274
    19 Southwest_English @ 25.338909
    20 West_German @ 25.546619

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Spanish_Aragon +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.785959


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Spanish_Aragon +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.785959


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 4.735464
    2 Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.785959
    3 Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.866030
    4 Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 4.877936
    5 Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 4.881017
    6 Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.924955
    7 Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 4.957465
    8 Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.967340
    9 Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 4.982916
    10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 5.020217
    11 Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 5.050213
    12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 5.063160
    13 Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 5.074946
    14 Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 5.077776
    15 Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 5.084280
    16 Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 5.096198
    17 Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.126964
    18 Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.132741
    19 Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 5.148417
    20 Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 5.170814
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andour View Post
    My son-in-law. Born in Melgaço (Minho/Galicia border). His family is from the countryside around. Ancestry is 100% local.

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    Some similar regions with mine. I am the sample number 38.

     
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    Thanks, his scores are indeed similar to mine, at least more than most Portuguese I've seen, the biggest difference is probably his extra 4% East Med, which is why I'm closer to Basques and northern Spanish than he is. He's even further away from our reference than I am, which is a first for me



    Code:
    #	Population	Percent
    1 	Atlantic 	34.65
    2 	West_Med 	22.82
    3 	North_Sea 	15.51
    4 	East_Med 	9.03
    5 	Baltic 	6.18
    6 	Red_Sea 	4.6
    7 	Northeast_African 	2.91
    8 	Eastern_Euro 	2.16
    9 	Sub-Saharan 	1.05
    10 	Siberian 	0.5
    11 	West_Asian 	0.4
    12 	Southeast_Asian 	0.2
    
    Single Population Sharing:
    
    #	Population (source)	Distance
    1 	Spanish_Aragon 	4.43
    2 	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 	4.6
    3 	Spanish_Andalucia 	5.39
    4 	Spanish_Valencia 	5.43
    5 	Spanish_Cantabria 	6.22
    6 	Southwest_French 	6.48
    7 	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 	6.76
    8 	Spanish_Murcia 	6.95
    9 	Spanish_Extremadura 	7.5
    10 	Spanish_Cataluna 	8.53
    11 	Portuguese 	9.18
    12 	Spanish_Galicia 	11.04
    13 	French_Basque 	11.98
    14 	North_Italian 	13.12
    15 	French 	16.17
    16 	Tuscan 	18.41
    17 	South_Dutch 	19.93
    18 	Southwest_English 	22.81
    19 	Austrian 	22.87
    20 	Serbian 	23.22
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>E-Y134097>E-Y168273 (probably Scythian-Sarmatian). Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
    mtDNA - H20. Maria Josefa de Almeida, b. circa 1750 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

    Global25 PCA West Eurasia dataset Hidden Content
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    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

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    Roman_Imperial_proxy,13.6
    Guanche,8.8

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    @Ruderico

    Kit number 65 is probably more similar to you. He comes from a little village in Aveiro.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 30.43
    2 North_Sea 22.50
    3 West_Med 21.75
    4 Baltic 7.86
    5 East_Med 5.94
    6 Eastern_Euro 5.41
    7 Sub-Saharan 2.11
    8 West_Asian 1.89
    9 Red_Sea 1.28


    Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
    15 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.997877
    2 Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.017093
    3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 6.177893
    4 Southwest_French @ 6.198236
    5 Portuguese @ 7.293623
    6 Spanish_Galicia @ 7.713445
    7 Spanish_Extremadura @ 7.983952
    8 Spanish_Murcia @ 8.032388
    9 Spanish_Valencia @ 8.140260
    10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 8.150479
    11 Spanish_Aragon @ 8.518537
    12 Spanish_Andalucia @ 10.023218
    13 French @ 10.365887
    14 South_Dutch @ 14.475309
    15 North_Italian @ 14.538584
    16 French_Basque @ 17.309660
    17 Southwest_English @ 17.646208
    18 West_German @ 18.635576
    19 Southeast_English @ 19.257257
    20 East_German @ 20.360388

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% French +50% Southwest_French @ 3.726563


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Southwest_French +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% West_German @ 2.633900


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 French_Basque + North_German + Sardinian + Southeast_English @ 2.397077
    2 French_Basque + Irish + North_German + Sardinian @ 2.447524
    3 French_Basque + North_German + Sardinian + West_Scottish @ 2.462009
    4 Danish + French_Basque + North_German + Sardinian @ 2.481132
    5 French_Basque + North_German + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 2.504171
    6 French_Basque + North_Dutch + North_German + Sardinian @ 2.505722
    7 Danish + French_Basque + Sardinian + Southeast_English @ 2.609237
    8 French_Basque + North_German + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 2.614468
    9 Danish + French_Basque + Sardinian + South_Dutch @ 2.620665
    10 French_Basque + North_Dutch + Sardinian + South_Dutch @ 2.632265
    11 Southwest_French + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + West_German @ 2.633900
    12 Danish + French_Basque + Irish + Sardinian @ 2.671020
    13 Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + West_German @ 2.671376
    14 South_Dutch + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.680933
    15 Danish + French_Basque + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 2.683311
    16 French_Basque + Sardinian + South_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 2.684653
    17 South_Dutch + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.685293
    18 French_Basque + North_Dutch + Sardinian + Southeast_English @ 2.700961
    19 French_Basque + North_German + North_German + Sardinian @ 2.718102
    20 French_Basque + Irish + Sardinian + South_Dutch @ 2.737756

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lusitano View Post
    @Ruderico

    Kit number 65 is probably more similar to you. He comes from a little village in Aveiro.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 30.43
    2 North_Sea 22.50
    3 West_Med 21.75
    4 Baltic 7.86
    5 East_Med 5.94
    6 Eastern_Euro 5.41
    7 Sub-Saharan 2.11
    8 West_Asian 1.89
    9 Red_Sea 1.28
    Possibly, but he's much closer to West Euros than I am, his North Sea score is much higher than mine.
    Edit: do you know whereabouts in Aveiro is the village at?
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>E-Y134097>E-Y168273 (probably Scythian-Sarmatian). Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
    mtDNA - H20. Maria Josefa de Almeida, b. circa 1750 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

    Global25 PCA West Eurasia dataset Hidden Content
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    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Possibly, but he's much closer to West Euros than I am, his North Sea score is much higher than mine.
    Edit: do you know whereabouts in Aveiro is the village at?
    My girlfriend scores 26% North Sea on K15 yet she plots next to the Spanish dot. I score 20% and I plot next to the Portuguese dot on K15 PCA. We barely scored any Visigoth\Suebi on your G25 model though so things seem to change quite a bit from one model to another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lusitano View Post
    My girlfriend scores 26% North Sea on K15 yet she plots next to the Spanish dot. I score 20% and I plot next to the Portuguese dot on K15 PCA. We barely scored any Visigoth\Suebi on your G25 model though so things seem to change quite a bit from one model to another.
    The Germanic component is always hard to estimate on models because it can on occasion be taken over (or take over) by another that is somewhat similar, or not too dissimilar. This guy's K15 score is very awkward, I've never seen anyone quite like him. Would love to see his G25 if we ever had the chance
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>E-Y134097>E-Y168273 (probably Scythian-Sarmatian). Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
    mtDNA - H20. Maria Josefa de Almeida, b. circa 1750 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

    Global25 PCA West Eurasia dataset Hidden Content
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    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

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    Roman_Imperial_proxy,13.6
    Guanche,8.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    The Germanic component is always hard to estimate on models because it can on occasion be taken over (or take over) by another that is somewhat similar, or not too dissimilar. This guy's K15 score is very awkward, I've never seen anyone quite like him. Would love to see his G25 if we ever had the chance
    Já não me recordo do local mas sei que era proveniente de uma pequena aldeia da região de Aveiro e pertencia a um imigrante Português nos E.U.A. O sobrenome era Labrego se isso ajudar. Eu também achei os resultados dele um pouco fora do comum, na altura até abri uma thread para analisar.
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    This is proof that "Southern European" is not a cohesive genetic cluster and there is a huge difference between Iberians and South Italians/Cretans/etc. These Portuguese are as close to Danes as to SE European islanders.

    With that said, some Portuguese (such as Madeirans) have actual Sub-Saharan DNA from the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, and North African DNA is still present throughout Portugal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    This is proof that "Southern European" is not a cohesive genetic cluster
    That has been clear ever since we started seeing PCA plots
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>E-Y134097>E-Y168273 (probably Scythian-Sarmatian). Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
    mtDNA - H20. Maria Josefa de Almeida, b. circa 1750 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

    Global25 PCA West Eurasia dataset Hidden Content
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    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

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