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    Destribuição Regional dos Sobrenomes Portugueses\Locate Portuguese Surnames


    My first surname highest incidence is in Porto, Lisboa, Aveiro and Braga. Likely a surname with its origins in the north.




    My second surname highest incidence is in Lisboa, Setúbal, Porto and Castelo Branco. I think it is a surname originally from Castelo Branco but Lisboa, Setúbal and Porto happen to have higher incidences because many families migrated from Castelo Branco to those cities in the 70's and 80's (my family included).


    My third and last surname highest incidence is in Lisboa, followed by Castelo Branco and Santarém. This one I am pretty sure that is originally from Sertã and neighbouring regions because every stranger I have ever encountered during my life with this surname happened to have relatives from there.








    You may locate your Portuguese surnames through this link: http://locatemyname.com/portugal/
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    My first surname is common in coastal districts between Douro and Tagus rivers, its highest incidence is in Lisbon, followed by Aveiro.




    My second and last surname highest incidence is in Lisbon, followed by Setúbal. Many relatives migrated from Alentejo (Beja) to those cities.
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    Of my grandmother's four family surnames... one is most common in Aveiro, another in Porto, and the other two in Lisbon.

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    You should divide those numbers by regional population, instead of just seeing absolute values. My surname might exist in higher numbers in Lisbon, but its frequency is a lot higher in Bragança
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    You should divide those numbers by regional population, instead of just seeing absolute values. My surname might exist in higher numbers in Lisbon, but its frequency is a lot higher in Bragança
    You're right. I'll do it.

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    Lisboa = 206
    Faro = 102
    Setúbal = 74
    Santarém = 46
    Beja = 46
    Leiria = 45
    Castelo_Branco = 30
    Coimbra = 30
    Porto = 19
    Guarda = 17

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    Os números da família Moura são muito altos onde os mouros "nunca" tiveram, a norte do Douro e são 0 onde eles "sempre" tiveram, o Alentejo e Algarve. Cincidem em geral com a frequência do mtDNA das mouras (U6). A capital provoca um desvio para si e em menor grau para a sua órbita, naturalmente.
    Porto = 499
    Lisboa = 372
    Vila_Real = 187
    Braga = 103
    Setúbal = 101
    Aveiro = 61
    Santarém = 58
    Coimbra = 58
    Castelo_Branco = 55
    Viseu = 51
    Este nome deve ter-se tornado nome de família apartir de filhos de escravas mouras que seriam apelidados de João da Moura, António da Moura, etc e assim passariam a ser designados os descendentes destes daí em diante. Também na zona de Portimão, tido como sendo o antigo porto cartaginês Porto Aníbal, tradicionalmente havia uma frequência superior, dos nomes, Aníbal, Asdrubal e Archibaldo, não sei se todos de via cartaginêsa.

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    Hi everyone!

    Really interesting topic but..

    where are the islands? Why aren't they included?

    I'd like to find where my surnames are most prominent.
    Which website is that from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinthug23 View Post
    Hi everyone!

    Really interesting topic but..

    where are the islands? Why aren't they included?

    I'd like to find where my surnames are most prominent.
    Which website is that from?

    O link para o web site está no primeiro post deste diálogo, mas o site parece desativado. Há muitos sites deste tipo, é uma questão de pesquisar. Não sei, mas as ilhas devem aparecer por extenso, não no mapa. Também tenho observado que os Algarvios têm mais nomes greco-romanos, por exemplo Apolinário, que o resto do país. Não sei se isto é verdade estatisticamente, mas como indicam a classificação barlavento/sotavento do Algarve, navegar para norte de sagres era principalmente feito a remos (daí o nome costa da galé no litoral alentejano), o que limitou a expansão do mundo clássico para norte.

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    A expansão do mundo clássico não teve qualquer problema na nossa costa porque se podia perfeitamente fazer via terrestre, não fossem os romanos conhecidos pelos seus sistemas de estradas. O sul e a costa atlântica em particular são muitíssimo planos, nunca houve qualquer dificuldade em andar por ali. Houve cidades bastante populosas no norte da península: Bracara Augusta, Castra Legionis, Asturica Augusta, etc que demonstram que o mundo greco-romano se estabeleceu profundamente em todo o território, até em zonas do interior montanhoso.

    Não vejo como é que alguma maior dificuldade em navegação possa ter tido impacto em nomes pessoais 2000 anos depois num país até bastante homogéneo como o nosso o é, nomes pessoas tendem a seguir modas. Apolinário é também nome de santo.
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