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Thread: YSC235 and Y67 STR test

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    Haplogroup YSC235 and farming

    My haplogroup is YSC235 (negative for everything else after it).

    This is my Y67 data

    12 22 14 11 14-18 11 15 12 13 11 31 19 8-9 11 12 25 14 20 26 12-14-16-17 11 10 22-22 15 14 20 18 33-35 13 10 11 8 15-16 8 12 10 8 10 9 12 22-22 19 10 12 12 15 8 12 24 21 14 12 11 13 12 12 12 11

    It seems that im a rare bird. Nevgen says im P58 with an unsupported subclade.

    Im on ftdna j1 project (B278137) but im still in the ungrouped section.

    My family surname is "Jorge". Jorge means farmer or earth worker. As far as i know we were always farmers. Since YSC235 is quite old, its safe to assume that my ancestor got here by the end of the neolithic and was a farmer?

    Any ideas?
    Last edited by lppt; 07-01-2019 at 09:22 AM.

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    The admin from J1 project has put me on J-Z27682 subclade finally! Sadly, nothing new.

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    Yes. At 12 STRs, two people with a GD of 1. One already dead (whos name is only Rocha) and another from São Miguel (island). At 25 with GD of 1 the same dead person as before. At 37 the same dead person but with a GD of 2. At 67 i got another dead person (whos name is António Rocha) with a GD of 3.

    The earliest known ancestor from both dead persons is Manuel Lopes, birth around 1770, from Leiria, Portugal.
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    Both dead persons have the same haplogroup YSC235. The guy from Sao Miguel only J-M267 and his name is Peter Santos.
    Last edited by lppt; 07-07-2019 at 12:57 PM.

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    There is also Perez from Dominican Republic (FTDNA #302848). He is interesting because he is confirmed as Z27682. I'm not shore if he has done BigY, but I believe he did because of the terminal SNP.

    About your branch and it's presence in Portugal, I don't believe they were migrants from neolithic. I even don't believe that J1 hit the shores of Mediterranean before Early Bronze Age (or very very late neolithic) and leave the same shores before Middle Bronze age. For better conclusion you simply need more better analyzed members. There is some YSC0000235 from Yemen, but I would like to see his BigY. In any case Portugal cluster looks bit isolated

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    Will I ever discover if my ancestor was a farmer from the middle east, an arab, a jew or maybe a phoenician?
    Last edited by lppt; 07-11-2019 at 09:25 AM.

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    I've been searching. My ancestor was probably an ashkenazi jew. Why? My DYS388 as a value of 15 and YCAII the values 22-22. My surname is "Jorge". On FTDNA, ive got a GD of 3 with a dead guy with the surname "Rocha" and this guy has his EKA with the surname "Lopes". These 3 surnames can be jewish. Using the gedrosia k3 calculator on gedmatch, using 1 population approximation, the first one is ashkenazi jew with a score of 0.000000!

    What do you guys think?

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    Using other calculators, ashkenazi jew is never shown (oracle4). So, does it mean that if my ancestor was indeed jew it was long ago or does it mean that he probably was not jew?

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