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    Help with R1b subclade

    I`m from Spain, Cuenca. The land of my family was a land of Celts, the tribe of Los Olcades and then came the Roman invasion, with cities in my area like Segóbriga.

    In my analysis of autosomal DNA I have obtained 100% European in all the websites that I have tried, myheritage, Dnaland and gedmatch.

    In my composition I have Celtic components (Celtiberians and Romans (Italian markers and sardinian) in a similar proportion more or less, 50% -40% .I suppose this comes because my town in the province of Cuenca was a Roman villa and before that it was place of Celtic tribes.

    But the question is that I have about 10%-15% (gedmatch) of Scottish markers, from the North Sea, Orcadian, and Nordic. DNA.LAND marks about 6.5%.

    So, when using Morley dna analysis I get the group R1b L-11, P310 and similar, but I want to know the subgroup.

    I have in my DNA the entire line of DF-27 from celtic on iberia and L-459 which I understand is related to the Scottish / Nordic markers that I got in the autosomal DNA.

    What will you think is my real subclade? I think DF-27 makes more sense, but I do not know what to think anymore. Thank you!!!

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    Did you run your Ancestry raw data through Morley's predictor? Or do you have some y-dna test results (like STRs)?
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

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    You should get the R1b-M343 Orientation Panel from Yseq at https://www.yseq.net/product_info.ph...ducts_id=16349 It only costs $77.00 and it will tell you if you are positive for P312 and if so if you are positive for DF27, U152, or L21. Your raw data does not contain information about those SNPs and it is why they don't have a green or red background. If you choose to add Downstream Panels it only costs an extra $59 and will give you downstream subclade information if you are positive for a subclade included in those downstream panels.

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    Thank you!! But the Morley green PF6546/P310/S129 It is correct and safe without having to do another analysis ??? I'm from Spain so it makes more sense DF-27, what do you think? I do not know how predictors work, are they really reliable?

    I do not want to spend more money to get the same, if morley is more or less reliable, it's fine if the main group is correct...
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    Well for what it's worth my subclade is extremelly rare and Morley got it right, certainly better than 23andme did
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    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>Y134097>Y168273 Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1690 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
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    Ruderico. Did you subclade in morley turn orange or green? Do you think mine would be DF-27? Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexdan View Post
    Thank you!! But the Morley green PF6546/P310/S129 It is correct and safe without having to do another analysis ??? I'm from Spain so it makes more sense DF-27, what do you think? I do not know how predictors work, are they really reliable?

    I do not want to spend more money to get the same, if morley is more or less reliable, it's fine if the main group is correct...
    Yes, the Morley green PF6546/P310/S129 It is correct and safe without having to do another analysis. DF27 is the most common subclade of P310 in Spain but it's not as if L21 and U152 are totally absent from Spain so you should get additional testing to determine which subclade of P310 you really do belong to. The Morley predictor uses the raw data to find out which SNPs were tested positive and which were tested negative. If there is no red or green background there is not a positive or negative result for the listed SNPs in your raw data. The Morley predictor can't generate data from anything that was not tested. Since you were not tested for DF27, L21, and U152 you do not have information from the raw data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Well for what it's worth my subclade is extremelly rare and Morley got it right, certainly better than 23andme did
    That should have only been during the period between when the 23andme v5 test was released and when 23andme finally reported all of the tested SNPs that were reliable and positive. It was about 10 months ago that you should have seen a good terminal SNP at the 23andme site at https://you.23andme.com/reports/paternal_haplogroup/ What do you currently have at 23andme and what did Morley give you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexdan View Post
    Ruderico. Did you subclade in morley turn orange or green? Do you think mine would be DF-27? Thank you
    23andme does not test for DF27. It is not possible for Morley to show a red or green background for DF27 from 23andme raw data. The brown font for DF27 is because it was not included in the NatGeo test. See page 4 of the PDF at https://ytree.morleydna.com/experimental-phylogeny There is a table that explains the colors used.

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