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    Quote Originally Posted by rxavierflima View Post
    Só uma coisa: a componente levantina (judeus, fenícios, siírios, etc) está inserida onde, East_Med? E a componente árabe, Red_Sea?
    Sim o East Med é uma referência do Líbano e Cipriota, o Red Sea é Beduíno. Acredito que haja alguma variação ao longo do país, mas pelos estudos e resultados que se viram até agora se calhar a variação pessoal pesa mais. Precisamos de mais pessoal para saber
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    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 26.02
    2 West_Med 22.23
    3 North_Sea 19.85
    4 East_Med 11.77
    5 Eastern_Euro 5.49
    6 Baltic 5.13
    7 Northeast_African 3.2
    8 West_Asian 3
    9 Red_Sea 2.29
    10 Oceanian 0.52
    11 Siberian 0.5


    O meu K15 para comparação.

    [1] "distance%=1.4592"

    Lusitano

    Atlantic,51.8
    North_African,11.8
    West_Med,11.2
    North_Sea,9.8
    Baltic,5.6
    East_Med,4.4
    West_Asian,1.8
    East_Asian,1.4
    Siberian,0.8
    Sub_Saharan,0.8
    Oceanian,0.4
    Red_Sea,0.2
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    Algo diferente do K15 mas gostei da versão do Ruderico. O que acham que poderiamos adicionar para conseguir ficar com uma distance\fit inferior a 1 nas samples testadas?

    Edit: Talvez adicionar uma sample de Mari para uma componente de Eastern Euro?
    Last edited by Lusitano; 07-11-2019 at 08:27 PM.
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    Acho que as fits já estão bastante decentes para modelos a usar averages, a fit da referência Portuguesa é óptima. Nós é que temos sempre distâncias um pouco piores - uns mais que outros - e não há muito a fazer. Se quiseres podes tentar usar amostras individuais que assentem melhor a uma ou outra pessoa, mas isso acaba por enviesar o resultado (o algorítmo usado pelo randwulf é óptimo para isso). De resto acho que só experimentando com outras referências para cada componente, mas é um bocado tentativa e erro
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    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

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    [1] "distance%=1.5534"

    rxavierflima

    Atlantic,47
    North_Sea,17.4
    West_Med,11.2
    North_African,9.8
    East_Med,6.8
    Baltic,5
    Siberian,1.2
    Red_Sea,1
    South_Asian,0.2
    Sub_Saharan,0.2
    West_Asian,0.2



    K15: K13

    #Population Percent
    1. North_Atlantic = 38.94
    2. West_Med = 24.92
    3. East_Med = 17.17
    4. Baltic = 12.88
    5. Northeast_African = 2.37
    6. Red_Sea = 1.4
    7. South_Asian = 0.87
    8. West_Asian = 0.72
    9. East_Asian = 0.68
    10. Oceanian = 0.06


    Pareceu-me bem à primeira vista mas não coincide exactamente com o K15.


    EDIT: enganei-me, postei os valores do K13.
    Last edited by rxavierflima; 07-12-2019 at 08:18 AM.

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    É normal, não são bem a mesma coisa, um é o PCA em si (K15) outro é um modelo feito a partir de um PCA (G25) - tipo oracle. Por exemplo se mudarmos a referência do Atlantic para, sei lá, Irish e Scottish, já o resultado final vai ser muito diferente porque o Atlantic cai muito para todos nós e algo tem de subir para o compensar
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    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

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    Code:
    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC12,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC22,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Iberian:Basque_French,0.128051,0.1520246,0.0551727,0.0128231,0.0564104,0.0025099,-0.00141,0.0033229,0.0305968,0.0412036,-0.0092724,0.0103408,-0.0209761,-0.0140237,0.0132192,-0.0019359,-0.0119173,0.0030278,-0.0007165,-0.0044144,0.010157,0.0024855,-0.0086397,-0.0091698,7.18e-05
    Italian:Italian_South,0.1078472,0.1459822,-0.0048082,-0.0390022,0.0117712,-0.0115742,-0.0001762,-0.002942,0.0014315,0.0193627,-0.001989,0.005133,-0.0037165,-0.0018232,-0.0059717,-0.0037785,0.0005218,0.0010768,0.0051222,-0.000344,-0.0034628,0.0008655,0.001972,0.000693,0.0015868
    Germanic:Norwegian,0.1338234,0.1279567,0.0679357,0.0534334,0.0386443,0.0210366,0.0041964,0.0062964,0.0057267,0.0003906,-0.0037349,0.0036823,-0.007518,-0.011698,0.0210754,0.0093949,-0.0054203,0.0026061,0.0006823,0.0007503,0.005633,0.0055643,0.0042784,0.0177304,0.0010947
    Baltic:Lithuanian,0.1371568,0.127703,0.0846638,0.0816382,0.0467778,0.0300505,0.009518,0.0169608,0.0020453,-0.028019,-0.0071045,-0.0112402,0.0237112,0.0334422,-0.0093308,-0.0002983,-0.0041395,-0.001457,0.0004712,0.0034078,-0.0032132,-0.0038332,0.0104758,-0.0098205,-8.97e-05
    Eastern_European:Mari,0.1013024,-0.0507766,0.0928472,0.0614992,-0.029667,0.0006692,0.0115628,0.0184148,-0.0037224,-0.0393264,0.028288,-0.0152266,0.0344596,-0.03947,-0.0348802,-0.02376,-0.0049806,-0.008032,-0.038765,-0.0317402,0.0163212,0.0052924,-0.0506792,0.010869,-0.0021794
    Sardinian:Sardinian,0.1206524,0.1679686,0.0276806,-0.0515508,0.0603188,-0.0224786,-0.003478,0.004292,0.0427048,0.0798558,-0.0020784,0.0158856,-0.0270266,-0.0131842,-0.0132192,-0.004614,0.0120476,-0.0013176,0.0017596,-0.012931,-0.0050908,-0.0042044,-0.0097122,-0.021087,0.0008382
    Caucasian:Abkhasian,0.1089858,0.1152626,-0.0468571,-0.0399712,-0.039892,-0.0064146,0.01131,-0.0063169,-0.0616896,-0.0225286,-0.0023951,0.0092729,-0.0233769,0.0038362,0.0027654,-0.0233524,0.0111314,-0.005226,-0.011187,0.0195874,0.0137569,0.0027822,0.0033278,-0.0084799,-0.0015267
    Berber:Moroccan,-0.0853671,0.1302133,-0.0128221,-0.0708806,0.0211321,-0.03294,-0.0277833,0.0097687,0.0554032,0.0243993,0.0095087,-0.0090252,0.0269902,-0.0144658,0.0163016,-0.0061874,-0.0027669,-0.0170326,-0.0384216,0.0094351,-0.0098438,-0.0295119,0.0209111,-0.0011248,0.0059207
    Jewish:Lebanese_Druze,0.00739,0.01383,-0.01317,-0.0217,-0.00509,-0.00903,-0.00103,-0.00231,-0.00113,0.00417,0.00317,-0.00202,0.00611,0.00147,-0.00506,0.00465,-0.0016,0.00066,0.00197,-0.00073,-0.00106,0.00157,2e-04,0.00209,-0.00049
    Arab:Yemenite_Amran,0.0040286,0.0133357,-0.0163143,-0.0314071,-0.0048286,-0.0151143,-0.0037143,-0.0033643,0.0220071,-0.0023357,0.0072357,-0.0153214,0.0312857,0.0038214,0.0029429,0.0130143,-0.0108429,0.0033571,0.0014571,0.0125571,0.00555,0.0077,-0.0051357,0.0034643,-0.0039929
    Indian:Chamar,0.0033333,-0.0095,-0.04485,0.0392167,-0.0232833,0.0237333,-0.0013833,0.0053167,0.029,0.0209833,-0.0031667,-0.00075,0.001,0.00325,-0.007,-0.0095667,0.00585,-0.00105,-0.0031167,0.0052,0.0017333,0.0047833,0.0006167,0.0023833,-0.00535
    Chinese:Han,0.0018182,-0.0443818,-0.0022,-0.0201727,0.0253727,0.0134273,0.0012364,-0.0020818,-0.0073455,-0.0017091,-0.0305364,-0.0047091,0.0048909,-0.0058909,-0.0031909,0.0009455,0.0013455,-0.0006818,-0.0016273,-0.0081727,0.0098091,0.0056273,0.0114455,-0.0010727,-0.0018636
    West_African:Yoruba,-0.0553545,0.0061545,0.0058636,0.0051727,0.0001636,0.0044727,-0.0189,0.0207,-0.0239,0.0179818,0.0028455,0.0005273,0.0155091,0.0006909,0.0092273,-0.0072455,0.0054273,0.0003545,0.0047909,-0.0023909,0.0012455,0.0018727,-0.0014273,-0.0003909,-0.0003545
    East_African:Ethiopian_Gumuz,-0.5256728,0.0489145,-0.0071653,-0.0124893,-0.0007693,-0.0077625,0.0057967,-0.0019615,0.0953762,-0.1010805,-0.0201362,0.017984,-0.0375615,-0.0020873,0.0160377,-0.020463,0.0244687,0.0021115,0.0144133,-0.0176543,-0.0008735,0.0032767,-0.0057925,-0.0032133,0.004271
    Amerindian:Karitiana,0.0051667,-0.0315167,0.0313833,0.03355,-0.0369333,-0.0048833,-0.1374667,-0.16575,-0.0075167,-0.0095167,0.0005833,-0.0018,-0.0011,0.01985,-0.0033667,0.0033333,0.00845,0.00205,8.33e-05,-0.0002833,-0.0044333,0.0088167,-0.0045,-0.0021,-0.0056667
    Papuan:Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314,0.0016048
    Siberian:Even,0.0421147,-0.4319387,0.1399117,-0.015827,-0.138795,-0.0819007,0.0287493,0.036691,0.0328603,0.0261203,0.0556993,0.007843,-0.0146187,0.0089913,-0.0159697,-0.011049,0.0022597,0.0133867,0.0288267,0.0127147,0.050411,-0.045298,0.0072717,0.0127327,0.0190403

    Outra calculadora que eu fiz. Em alguns dá uma distance aceitável, em outros nem por isso...


    Code:
    [1] "distance%=1.832"
    
             Viriato
    
    Iberian,56.4
    Italian,23.4
    Berber,9
    Baltic,7.2
    Sardinian,2.6
    Caucasian,0.8
    Siberian,0.4
    Papuan,0.2
    
    [1] "distance%=1.7244"
    
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    Iberian,55.2
    Italian,21.4
    Germanic,11.6
    Berber,7
    Baltic,1.4
    Caucasian,1.4
    East_African,1.2
    Papuan,0.8
    
    [1] "distance%=2.3274"
    
             Ruderico_scaled
    
    Iberian,70
    Italian,18.4
    Berber,11
    East_African,0.4
    Germanic,0.2
    
    distance%=2.0283"
    
             rxavierflima
    
    Iberian,46.4
    Italian,18.2
    Sardinian,10.6
    Germanic,9.2
    Berber,7.8
    Baltic,7.6
    Siberian,0.2
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    Hola, amigos. He sacado la K17 del modelo de Lusitano. Coordenadas escaladas y penalización estándar (0.001). Este es el resultado:

    [1] "distance%=2.0317"

    Martin_scaled

    Iberian,72.8
    Italian,16.8
    Berber,2.2
    Caucasian,1.8
    Jewish,1.6
    Arab,1.4
    Chinese,0.8
    Eastern_European,0.8
    Amerindian,0.6
    Sardinian,0.6
    West_African,0.6

    Un saludo

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    Hola, de nuevo. Usando el modelo de Ruderico del Bronce Tardío. Coordenadas sin escalar y penalización estándar (0.001). Este es el resultado:

    [1] "distance%=1.3169"

    Martin

    Iberia_North_BA,54
    Scotland_LBA,31.4
    Mycenaean,7.4
    Morocco_EN,4.4
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    Un saludo

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    Si uso el modelo de Ruderico con Referencias Medias. Coordenadas sin escalar y penalización estándar (0.001). Este es el resultado:

    [1] "distance%=1.322"

    Martin

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    Iberia_BA,31.6
    North_African,8.8
    Armenia_MBA,4.6
    Levant_Canaanite_MBA,3.6
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