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    Quote Originally Posted by Lusitano View Post
    Um fit de 1.5 não é mau de todo mas acho que a sample das Órcades poderá estar a "roubar" um pouco do Atlantid por ela própria ter algumas componentes idênticas à dos Bascos.
    Pois, não sei o que alterar para melhorar o fit.

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    O que eu aconselho para poderem fazer comparações melhores é fazer uma média das referências de cada componente, em vez de usarem duas ou três diferentes. Se a fit piorar não se admirem, mas a comparação entre resultados passa a ser mais correcta. Ethiopian para SSA não me parece boa escolha, eles só o são parcialmente

    Edit: E coordenadas escaladas fazem-me muita comichão, especialmente com referências modernas
    Last edited by Ruderico; 07-06-2019 at 09:29 PM.
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    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    O que eu aconselho para poderem fazer comparações melhores é fazer uma média das referências de cada componente, em vez de usarem duas ou três diferentes. Se a fit piorar não se admirem, mas a comparação entre resultados passa a ser mais correcta. Ethiopian para SSA não me parece boa escolha, eles só o são parcialmente

    Edit: E coordenadas escaladas fazem-me muita comichão, especialmente com referências modernas
    Eu pensava que o nMonte fazia a média automáticamente.
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    Não, ele lê todas e escolhe as melhores
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    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Não, ele lê todas e escolhe as melhores
    Usas o Excel para fazer as médias?
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    Sim, só é chato reformatar as coordenadas do excel para o .txt do R

    Edit: Já agora, e só por curiosidade porque não gosto da metodologia, aqui vão mais resultados.
    Meti pen=0 como vocês, para ficar igual


    [1] "distance%=2.0724"

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    North_Sea,30.6
    Atlantic,26.4
    West_Med,21.8
    North_African,14
    Red_Sea,3.6
    South_Asian,2.6
    West_Asian,1


    [1] "distance%=2.2832"

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    Atlantic,60.2
    North_African,13.2
    North_Sea,12
    East_Med,10.4
    West_Med,4
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    [1] "distance%=1.9126"

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    North_Sea,33
    West_Med,23.4
    Atlantic,20.8
    North_African,9.4
    East_Med,7.6
    Baltic,5.8


    [1] "distance%=0.7205"

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    Atlantic,35.2
    North_Sea,26.6
    West_Med,14.8
    North_African,13
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    West_Asian,4.4
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    Last edited by Ruderico; 07-06-2019 at 11:56 PM.
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    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

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    Vou postar mais uma série de resultados com diferentes modelos, só para verem como cada um de vocês varia consoante as referências. Primeiro meto sempre a referência nacional. Vou também meter o código caso queiram adaptar ou mudar referências que possam preferir. Todos os modelos foram feitos com coordenadas regulares e corridos com penalidade standard.

    Este modelo é uma versão adaptada do Bronze tardio que o FabriceE fez para ver diferenças entre Franceses. Meti Marroquino do neolítico, Armenia LBA e Yoruba, que não haviam no modelo original. Não costumo meter o Yoruba, mas neste ficou. Algumas pessoas ficam com uns trocos daquilo, mas não sei até que ponto será real ou apenas efeito estatístico..eu geralmente vou para o segundo, daí que normalmente não inclua o Yoruba nos meus modelos
    Code:
    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC12,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC22,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Morocco_EN,-0.01525,0.00905,-0.00685,-0.0259,0.0092,-0.0214,-0.03375,0.0093,0.07335,0.0024,0.0137,-0.01765,0.05055,-0.03355,0.0511,-0.0255,0.01315,-0.0438,-0.11835,0.02725,-0.03065,-0.0956,0.0671,-0.00825,0.01805
    Halberstadt_LBA:I0099,0.0113,0.013,0.0155,0.0169,0.0104,0.0086,0.0032,0.0022,0.0023,-0.0028,0.0013,0.0015,-0.0096,-0.0109,0.0116,0.0131,0.0058,-0.003,0.0005,0.0038,0.0021,0.0024,0.0029,0.006,0.0023
    Iberia_North_BA:I2471,0.0111,0.0153,0.0154,-0.0004,0.0207,0.0009,0.0001,0.0057,0.0125,0.0268,-0.0027,0.0068,-0.0125,-0.0041,0.0045,-0.0009,-0.0031,0.0055,-0.0047,-0.0016,0.0048,0.0095,-0.0081,-0.0033,0.0038
    Mycenaean:I9006,0.0105,0.0158,-0.0018,-0.0212,0.0047,-0.0126,-0.0013,-0.003,-0.0014,0.0275,0.0027,0.0101,-0.0063,0.0021,-0.0146,-0.004,0.0189,0.006,0.0167,-0.0003,-0.006,-0.01,-0.0089,-0.0005,-0.0015
    Scotland_LBA:I3130,0.0112,0.013,0.0165,0.0172,0.0085,0.0055,0.0049,0.0021,0.0023,-0.0024,-0.0038,0.0039,-0.0115,-0.0162,0.0222,0.0011,-0.0217,0,0.0069,0.0008,0.0063,0.0039,-0.0015,0.0032,0.0032
    ARM_LBA,0.0088333,0.0121,-0.0083333,-0.0036333,-0.0116,0.0004667,0.0016,-0.0050667,-0.0227667,-0.0117,-0.0032333,0.0015667,-0.0040333,-0.0033667,0.0068667,-0.0044333,-7e-04,0.0005667,0.0016,0.0045,-0.0045333,-0.0011667,0.0063,-0.0019,0.0024667
    Yoruba,-0.0553545,0.0061545,0.0058636,0.0051727,0.0001636,0.0044727,-0.0189,0.0207,-0.0239,0.0179818,0.0028455,0.0005273,0.0155091,0.0006909,0.0092273,-0.0072455,0.0054273,0.0003545,0.0047909,-0.0023909,0.0012455,0.0018727,-0.0014273,-0.0003909,-0.0003545
    Code:
    [1] "distance%=0.7505"
    
             Portuguese
    
    Iberia_North_BA,50.4
    Halberstadt_LBA,15.8
    Mycenaean,13.8
    Scotland_LBA,12.2
    Morocco_EN,5.8
    ARM_LBA,2
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.9073"
    
             Ruderico
    
    Iberia_North_BA,49.4
    Scotland_LBA,33.2
    Mycenaean,11.8
    Morocco_EN,4.6
    ARM_LBA,1
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.7175"
    
             Lusitano
    
    Iberia_North_BA,48
    Scotland_LBA,26
    Mycenaean,14.4
    Morocco_EN,5.8
    ARM_LBA,5.6
    Yoruba,0.2
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.5165"
    
             Pai_Lusitano
    
    Iberia_North_BA,45.2
    Halberstadt_LBA,20.4
    Mycenaean,15.4
    Scotland_LBA,10.8
    ARM_LBA,4.2
    Morocco_EN,2.6
    Yoruba,1.4
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.6538"
    
             rxavierflima
    
    Iberia_North_BA,51.2
    Scotland_LBA,24.4
    Mycenaean,15.8
    Morocco_EN,5.4
    ARM_LBA,3.2
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.1989"
    
             Gil_Vicente
    
    Iberia_North_BA,53.6
    Scotland_LBA,24.6
    Mycenaean,11.2
    ARM_LBA,4.6
    Morocco_EN,3.2
    Yoruba,2.8
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.803"
    
             Defski
    
    Iberia_North_BA,50
    Halberstadt_LBA,16.8
    Mycenaean,14.6
    Scotland_LBA,10
    Morocco_EN,6.2
    ARM_LBA,2.4
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.3332"
    
             Azor
    
    Iberia_North_BA,51.6
    Mycenaean,19
    Halberstadt_LBA,8.6
    Scotland_LBA,8.4
    ARM_LBA,6.8
    Morocco_EN,4
    Yoruba,1.6
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.4186"
    
             Rui
    
    Iberia_North_BA,49.2
    Scotland_LBA,27.6
    Mycenaean,9.2
    ARM_LBA,6.4
    Morocco_EN,5
    Yoruba,2.6

    Resultados Bascos e uns Espanhois, só para comparar
    Code:
    [1] "distance%=1.5567"
    
             Basque_Spanish
    
    Iberia_North_BA,81.4
    Scotland_LBA,14.4
    Halberstadt_LBA,2.4
    Morocco_EN,1.8
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.3977"
    
             Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    
    Iberia_North_BA,67.2
    Scotland_LBA,27.4
    Mycenaean,4.2
    Morocco_EN,1.2
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.0215"
    
             Spanish_Cantabria
    
    Iberia_North_BA,64.2
    Scotland_LBA,13.4
    Halberstadt_LBA,9.6
    Mycenaean,8.8
    Morocco_EN,2.8
    ARM_LBA,1.2
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.0263"
    
             Spanish_Andalucia
    
    Iberia_North_BA,54.6
    Mycenaean,15.2
    Scotland_LBA,14.4
    Halberstadt_LBA,6.8
    ARM_LBA,5.6
    Morocco_EN,3.4
    Last edited by Ruderico; 07-08-2019 at 08:30 PM.
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    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

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    Este modelo foi feito por mim, é também um modelo da idade do Bronze, mas feito com referências médias (excepto o Hallstatt, que só há um - o DA112 é só parcialmente Hallstatt). O norte Africano é o Guanche medieval salvo erro. Como de costume a referência germânica às vezes é comida, outras vezes come o Hallstatt e/ou o Iberia. Meti uma referência Levantina, mas não sei até que ponto faz sentido ou é realista. Seja como for está aí, mas quem quiser pode correr o modelo sem ela. Yoruba ficou de fora, quem tinha uns trocos antes também ia ter aqui.

    Code:
    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC12,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC22,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Mycenaean,0.009475,0.0154,-0.00215,-0.020025,0.00705,-0.009725,-0.000225,-0.000925,0.00265,0.025975,0.0034,0.0113,-0.0086,-0.00045,-0.012075,-0.0074,0.016125,0.00285,0.0098,-0.003175,-0.0047,0.00015,-0.00535,0.00095,-6e-04
    Iberia_BA,0.0112,0.01525,0.0144,-2e-04,0.022,0.0013,-0.00095,8e-04,0.0194,0.0301,-9e-04,0.00475,-0.0142,-0.0176,0.00645,0.00135,-0.00045,0.00235,0.00155,0.0027,0.00485,-0.00075,-0.00725,-0.01265,0.00885
    Hallstatt_Celt:DA111,0.0109,0.0149,0.0168,0.0081,0.0142,0.0021,0.0005,0.001,0.0102,0.0134,-0.0076,0.0001,-0.0112,-0.0023,0.0108,-0.0072,-0.014,0.003,0.0047,0.0013,0.0079,0.0049,-0.0036,-0.0049,-0.0044
    Nordic_BA,0.0103,0.0136667,0.0177333,0.0172333,0.0098,0.0085333,0.0049667,0.0007667,-0.0004667,-0.0020667,-0.0015333,0.0024667,-0.0038667,-0.0101333,0.0104333,0.0083333,0.0082667,0.0033667,0.0052,0.0022667,0.0091667,-0.0039667,0.0022,-0.0017333,-0.0062333
    Armenia_MBA,0.0091,0.01205,-0.0084,-0.0041,-0.0114,-0.001,0.0014,-0.00285,-0.0262,-0.01035,0.00255,0,-0.00515,0.00125,0.01025,-2e-04,0.00065,-0.0029,0.00045,-1e-04,0.00435,0.00105,0.0044,-0.00065,8e-04
    North_African,-0.00346,0.01294,-0.00062,-0.02128,0.01096,-0.01304,-0.01276,0.00358,0.03466,0.01676,0.00466,-0.004,0.01228,-0.01286,0.0171,-0.00984,0.00244,-0.01516,-0.03526,0.00832,-0.0108,-0.0305,0.01888,-0.00098,0.00386
    Levant_Canaanite_MBA,0.00714,0.01446,-0.01626,-0.03032,-0.00342,-0.01396,-0.00204,-0.00286,0.0056,0.00558,0.00646,-0.00652,0.01452,0.004,-0.00558,0.00492,-0.00012,-0.00094,0.0012,0.0034,0.00342,0.0061,-0.00102,0.00132,-0.00042
    Code:
    [1] "distance%=0.989"
    
             Portuguese
    
    Iberia_BA,32.4
    Hallstatt_Celt,25.6
    Nordic_BA,13
    North_African,11.8
    Mycenaean,8.2
    Armenia_MBA,5.6
    Levant_Canaanite_MBA,3.4
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.6135"
    
             Ruderico
    
    Hallstatt_Celt,64
    Iberia_BA,17.2
    North_African,9.6
    Mycenaean,5.4
    Levant_Canaanite_MBA,2
    Armenia_MBA,1.8
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.5572"
    
             Lusitano
    
    Hallstatt_Celt,54.2
    Iberia_BA,20
    North_African,11
    Mycenaean,6.4
    Armenia_MBA,5.4
    Levant_Canaanite_MBA,3
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.611"
    
             Pai_Lusitano
    
    Iberia_BA,33.6
    Nordic_BA,25
    Hallstatt_Celt,13
    Mycenaean,12.2
    North_African,6
    Levant_Canaanite_MBA,5.6
    Armenia_MBA,4.6
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.5947"
    
             rxavierflima
    
    Hallstatt_Celt,53
    Iberia_BA,22
    North_African,10.4
    Mycenaean,7.8
    Armenia_MBA,3.8
    Levant_Canaanite_MBA,3
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.3959"
    
             Gil_Vicente
    
    Hallstatt_Celt,50.4
    Iberia_BA,23.4
    Armenia_MBA,8.2
    North_African,7.2
    Mycenaean,6.8
    Levant_Canaanite_MBA,2.6
    Nordic_BA,1.4
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.494"
    
             Defski
    
    Iberia_BA,49
    Nordic_BA,19.8
    North_African,11
    Hallstatt_Celt,6.4
    Levant_Canaanite_MBA,5.6
    Mycenaean,4.4
    Armenia_MBA,3.8
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.179"
    
             Azor
    
    Hallstatt_Celt,36.4
    Iberia_BA,19.8
    Mycenaean,18.8
    North_African,9
    Nordic_BA,6.4
    Armenia_MBA,6
    Levant_Canaanite_MBA,3.6
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.1554"
    
             Rui
    
    Hallstatt_Celt,64.4
    North_African,11
    Iberia_BA,8.8
    Armenia_MBA,5.8
    Levant_Canaanite_MBA,5
    Mycenaean,4.6
    Nordic_BA,0.4


    Resultados Bascos e uns Espanhois, só para comparar

    Code:
    [1] "distance%=1.0601"
    
             Basque_Spanish
    
    Iberia_BA,68
    Hallstatt_Celt,25.6
    Nordic_BA,5.4
    North_African,0.6
    Armenia_MBA,0.4
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.1446"
    
             Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    
    Hallstatt_Celt,51.4
    Iberia_BA,45.8
    North_African,1.4
    Armenia_MBA,1
    Mycenaean,0.4
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.2471"
    
             Spanish_Cantabria
    
    Iberia_BA,44.8
    Hallstatt_Celt,26.4
    Nordic_BA,12.2
    Mycenaean,7.2
    North_African,4.6
    Armenia_MBA,2.6
    Levant_Canaanite_MBA,2.2
    
    
    [1] "distance%=0.8535"
    
             Spanish_Andalucia
    
    Iberia_BA,32.2
    Hallstatt_Celt,30.6
    Mycenaean,10.6
    Nordic_BA,9
    North_African,7.4
    Armenia_MBA,7
    Levant_Canaanite_MBA,3.2
    Last edited by Ruderico; 07-08-2019 at 08:30 PM.
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    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

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    Celtiberian,77.6
    Roman_Imperial_proxy,13.6
    Guanche,8.8

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    Obrigado Ruderico. Só um aparte, o Azor e o Bruma são a mesma pessoa (pelo menos no TA eram).

    Já dos resultados Espanhóis seria interessente comparar com a Galiza, Extremadura e Castela e Leão.
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    Romanised Paesuri
    Nationality
    Portuguese
    Y-DNA
    E-Y168273
    mtDNA
    H20 (H20c?)

    Asturias Portugal 1143 Portugal 1485 Portugal Order of Christ
    Isso explica os resultados virtualmente iguais
    Apaguei um deles
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>BY36858>E-Y168273 (probably Scythian-Sarmatian). Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
    mtDNA - H20. Maria Josefa de Almeida, b. circa 1750 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

    Global25 PCA West Eurasia dataset Hidden Content
    Hidden Content


    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

    Ruderico

    Celtiberian,77.6
    Roman_Imperial_proxy,13.6
    Guanche,8.8

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