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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_noise View Post
    The problem I run into frequently is that the majority of E-V13's tested are on the CTS5856 side of things and not the E-PH1246 side that I am on. Just for clarity, E-V13 splits downstream to either E-CTS5856 or E-PH1246. I'm sure that's a simplified explanation, but that's my understanding.

    There is very little info out there on E-PH1246, but one of the internet threads that comes up is talk about Serbian and Montenegrin clans. Personally, in not sure if this applies to Calabria or not, I have no idea.

    I will say that geographically the cetina Culture hypothesis makes sense as Croatia is just across the water from Central Italy, so there could have been a migration to Italy and then they moved south? Or the Greek theory from Greece to Calabria via Magna Graecia migration...so many theories!
    Yh CTS5856 and PH1246 are the two major branches under E-V13, though there also is BY6550 though that branch seems to be a very minor basal branch. PH1246 seems to have been the branch that remained in the Balkans whereas CTS5856 migrated out and was absorbed pretty early on by PIE speakers, who aided in spreading it. The origin of PH1246 in Italy varies with subclade, certain older clades could be linked to earlier migrations whilst others could be linked to more recent migrations, for example E-Y81468 could be linked to the Arbereshe migration considering how this group is found in Albanians and Arbereshe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Yh CTS5856 and PH1246 are the two major branches under E-V13, though there also is BY6550 though that branch seems to be a very minor basal branch. PH1246 seems to have been the branch that remained in the Balkans whereas CTS5856 migrated out and was absorbed pretty early on by PIE speakers, who aided in spreading it. The origin of PH1246 in Italy varies with subclade, certain older clades could be linked to earlier migrations whilst others could be linked to more recent migrations, for example E-Y81468 could be linked to the Arbereshe migration considering how this group is found in Albanians and Arbereshe.
    let me add the info from Italian wikipedia regarding our particular town. I cannot find a source for the statement however..:

    "The birth of the town of Ciminà dates back to 1453, by Greek and Albanian fugitives of Christian religion who, driven out of Constantinople by the Turks , found shelter at the "Monte dei Tre Pizzi".

    Like I mentioned earlier, I have only managed to go back to early 1700's, so before then is anyone's guess. Until further proof develops, I am going to default to the probability of a Greek origin. Maybe my Big-Y 700 upgrade, due any day, will shed more light
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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_noise View Post
    let me add the info from Italian wikipedia regarding our particular town. I cannot find a source for the statement however..:

    "The birth of the town of Ciminà dates back to 1453, by Greek and Albanian fugitives of Christian religion who, driven out of Constantinople by the Turks , found shelter at the "Monte dei Tre Pizzi".

    Like I mentioned earlier, I have only managed to go back to early 1700's, so before then is anyone's guess. Until further proof develops, I am going to default to the probability of a Greek origin. Maybe my Big-Y 700 upgrade, due any day, will shed more light
    Yes a Greek origin may be likely considering that there are Greeks who belong to PH1246, one I see is BY14151 which is the father clade of BY14160. Further testing will probably make the situation clearer, who knows we might find Albanians or Greeks that fall under your clade.
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    Yesyerday I found traces of my family in Trevi nel Lazio from year 1603. I suspected that we were native of the village, but I still wasn't 100% sure. And I just followed the father's fathers. This makes me believe those mountain communities were less open than I expected. I even found the surname in it's latin form (it still sounds quite latin) since it was put under the "familiae" names.
    At least when I'll get my haplogroup we can be sure it's quite local

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow View Post
    Yesyerday I found traces of my family in Trevi nel Lazio from year 1603. I suspected that we were native of the village, but I still wasn't 100% sure. And I just followed the father's fathers. This makes me believe those mountain communities were less open than I expected. I even found the surname in it's latin form (it still sounds quite latin) since it was put under the "familiae" names.
    At least when I'll get my haplogroup we can be sure it's quite local
    Pay attention to surnames in Central and Southern Italy until the XIX century: in certain areas they weren't fixed. For example, in Lazio there were many places where surnames didn't exist until XVII century. In some communities of Umbria still in 1850 there were families without a surname and only the Kingdom of Italy french-like bureaucratic system forced those families to adopt a surname.

    I'm a professional genealogist and I researched in many areas: I speak through the experience I gained.

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    wow! interesting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romilius View Post
    Pay attention to surnames in Central and Southern Italy until the XIX century: in certain areas they weren't fixed. For example, in Lazio there were many places where surnames didn't exist until XVII century. In some communities of Umbria still in 1850 there were families without a surname and only the Kingdom of Italy french-like bureaucratic system forced those families to adopt a surname.

    I'm a professional genealogist and I researched in many areas: I speak through the experience I gained.
    Could you tell me why one of my paternal ancestors in the early 18th century had 2 surnames...Valentini and Belgradi in the parish records (NW Tuscany; just inside the former Duchy of Modena).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascio View Post
    Belgradi
    Doesn't that means they were somehow connected to the Serbian capital? Any way, sounds very Slavic.

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