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Thread: A closer look at the I1 samples from Batini et al, Nat. Commun. 2015

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadly77 View Post
    Ah yes - I've seen some of your posts in the I-Z140 Facebook group, so welcome to the Anthrogenica fourms here. I find that too - little nuggets of information that send me off on tangents to read about related subjects.

    One of the things that drew me to digging further into the Batini et al 2015 paper is that it would give a slightly different perspective to the Y-DNA database established by commercial testing, such as FTDNA and YFull. I'm only seeing one individual with Netherlands in both the YFull tree and the FTDNA public haplotree on branch PH4462, although one individual at I-L338 in Netherlands that William has grouped together with that branch is in there too. Finding two I-PH4462 in this paper, along with another two a level up at I-BY463/Y3334 (due to derived Y8337) was neat. At 10 samples out of 46 I1, Netherlands definitey have a lot of I1 in this dataset. I think with a larger sampling of the populations, would see a bit more normalizing but this study has an advantage in that it lets us dig into the subclade data, while a lot of other studies will just list a very basic high level haplogroup such as I1.

    The SNPs with a PH prefix were discovered and registered by Pille Hallast, who is one of the authors on the Batini et al 2015 paper and the earlier 2014 paper. It's quite likely that these PH SNPs were discovered for the first time in this dataset that led to this paper. I had a look for some of the SNPs specific to your branch but they didn't show up in the VCF file - likely they weren't discovered until the Big Y tests of you and the other fellow on your branch after these papers published in 2014/15.
    I wanted to say thanks again and also apologise. In my post above I had meant to pay you a compliment by referring to your fine original post. But in a bit of a brain failure no doubt precipitated by knowing both your name and WH's from the Z140 Facebook group I misdirected it. Sorry S!
    Last edited by deanovermont; 07-16-2019 at 12:57 AM. Reason: Removed names
    Paternal side is from UK / Ireland,. Y haplo I1/m253:
    Z140 > Z141 > Z2535 > YSC261 > L338 > S12289 > BY461> BY463 > PH4462 > A18477.

    Livingdna:

    Great Britain and Ireland 59.9%

    Southeast England 22.2%
    Lincolnshire 8.7%
    Ireland 6.6%
    Devon 6%
    East Anglia 3.7%
    South England 3.7%
    Central England 1.8%
    Northumbria 1.7%
    Cornwall 1.3%
    Great Britain and Ireland (unassigned) 4%

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    [QUOTE=deanovermont;582550]I wanted to say thanks again and also apologise. In my post above I had meant to pay you a compliment by referring to your fine original post. But in a bit of a brain failure no doubt precipitated by knowing both your name and William Hartley's from the Z140 Facebook group I misdirected it. Sorry S!QUOTE]

    Yes, deadly77's posts are much appreciated. Might be best not to name people without their permission though. This site values privacy.
    Last edited by JonikW; 07-16-2019 at 08:02 AM.
    Living DNA Cautious mode:
    South Wales Border-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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    Thanks. Fixed that!
    Paternal side is from UK / Ireland,. Y haplo I1/m253:
    Z140 > Z141 > Z2535 > YSC261 > L338 > S12289 > BY461> BY463 > PH4462 > A18477.

    Livingdna:

    Great Britain and Ireland 59.9%

    Southeast England 22.2%
    Lincolnshire 8.7%
    Ireland 6.6%
    Devon 6%
    East Anglia 3.7%
    South England 3.7%
    Central England 1.8%
    Northumbria 1.7%
    Cornwall 1.3%
    Great Britain and Ireland (unassigned) 4%

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanovermont View Post
    Thanks. Fixed that!
    ... Great. I've removed from the quote too.
    Living DNA Cautious mode:
    South Wales Border-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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    Cheers fellas - no apologies neccesary. I've a lot of respect for William - he's doing a very good job as admin of the I-Z140 project and also admins a fair few other I1 subclade projects as well. He's one of the early pioneers (along with Ken Nordvedt and others) on how the I1 tree and subclades were put together which is evern more impressive as we had a lot less SNPs discovered back then, and a lot of the groupings were done by STRs which in hindsight seems a harder way to do things. I wasn't following this field when a lot of the early research was going on, but it was probably a big mix of fun and frustration - there must have been quite a few "three steps forward, two steps back" moments.

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