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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    The J2a sample belongs to this branch, which is under Z7700 though not under Z7706 and further FGC9962 (which I thought).

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y15598/
    It would be amazing if that individual from Gujarat, India turns out to be a direct descendant. The Saka tribes ruled the area for four centuries, and one would think they had some genetic impact on the area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulin View Post
    It would be amazing if that individual from Gujarat, India turns out to be a direct descendant. The Saka tribes ruled the area for four centuries, and one would think they had some genetic impact on the area.
    Its very possible, Z7700 looks to be an old marker in Central Asia, its now 3 branches under Z7700 that have been found in the Saka/Scythian remains.
    My Y Line: J2a-L210>Z489>Z482>Y15222

    My Maternal Y: R1b-U152>Z36>Y156527

    Other Y lines: 3x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: J2a-S25258>SK1336, 5x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: E-V13>A7135, 6x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: J1-Z2331>L829

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    All three alleged Goths are females, wonderful. Where are the males, cremated?

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    Doesn't look like the J1 sample is actually J1.

    Honestly its a very difficult one, its definately not J2a, and seems to get a bunch of no calls for J1.
    Last edited by Principe; 07-11-2019 at 11:51 PM.
    My Y Line: J2a-L210>Z489>Z482>Y15222

    My Maternal Y: R1b-U152>Z36>Y156527

    Other Y lines: 3x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: J2a-S25258>SK1336, 5x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: E-V13>A7135, 6x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: J1-Z2331>L829

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    Doesn't look like the J1 sample is actually J1.

    Honestly its a very difficult one, its definately not J2a, and seems to get a bunch of no calls for J1.
    Bad quality of preserved DNA maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    Its very possible, Z7700 looks to be an old marker in Central Asia, its now 3 branches under Z7700 that have been found in the Saka/Scythian remains.
    So then this MJ-16 Western Scythian J2a sample along with the Tian Shan Saka J2a samples all belong to Z7700?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Bad quality of preserved DNA maybe?
    Its not the best, somewhere around the range of some of the better quality Iberian ones but double the quality of the E-M84 sample, I think its more of a wrong haplogroup assignment.
    My Y Line: J2a-L210>Z489>Z482>Y15222

    My Maternal Y: R1b-U152>Z36>Y156527

    Other Y lines: 3x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: J2a-S25258>SK1336, 5x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: E-V13>A7135, 6x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: J1-Z2331>L829

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    So then this MJ-16 Western Scythian J2a sample along with the Tian Shan Saka J2a samples all belong to Z7700?
    Yes but it belongs to another branch, I was expecting the same branch. Practically all of Z7700 branches has a similar pattern with Iranian, Middle Eastern, South Asian, Central Asian and European splits. It looks like Z7700 branches were near the Ethnogenesis of Scythian and Indo Iranian peoples, a Central Asian/Iranian origin for Z7700 makes complete sense at the moment.

    The odds of this being random are fairly slim, its now 6 Scythian samples with J2a-Z7700, it was definitely part of the Saka expansions and likely part of all Iranian expansions of course branches, Z7700 is quite extensive and more complex, there will likely be a lot more when the final version of the Central and South Asian paper come out.
    Last edited by Principe; 07-12-2019 at 12:49 AM.
    My Y Line: J2a-L210>Z489>Z482>Y15222

    My Maternal Y: R1b-U152>Z36>Y156527

    Other Y lines: 3x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: J2a-S25258>SK1336, 5x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: E-V13>A7135, 6x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: J1-Z2331>L829

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    Yes but it belongs to another branch, I was expecting the same branch. Practically all of Z7700 branches has a similar pattern with Iranian, Middle Eastern, South Asian, Central Asian and European splits. It looks like Z7700 branches were near the Ethnogenesis of Scythian and Indo Iranian peoples, a Central Asian/Iranian origin for Z7700 makes complete sense at the moment.
    Interesting!...Hopefully more Z7700 shows up in more ancient remains from those ancient cultures in the future. It seems possible then that some J2a-Z7700 was absorbed into some early Indo-Iranian groups.

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    The following samples have been added to the Global25 datasheets. Same links as always.

    Sarmatian_RUS_Caucasus:MJ38
    Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:LS13
    Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:MJ39
    Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:MJ41
    Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:MJ43
    Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:MJ44
    Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:MJ56
    Scythian_RUS_Urals:MJ42
    Scythian_UKR:MJ13
    Scythian_UKR:MJ14
    Scythian_UKR:MJ15
    Scythian_UKR:MJ16
    Scythian_UKR:MJ34
    Scythian_UKR:MJ35
    Scythian_UKR:MJ46
    UKR_Catacomb:MJ09
    UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19
    UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky:MJ37
    UKR_Cimmerian:MJ12
    UKR_Cimmerian:MJ31
    UKR_Cimmerian:MJ32
    UKR_Srubnaya_MLBA:MJ08
    Yamnaya_UKR:MJ06

    They're also in this neighbor joining tree...

    https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/...r-joining.html

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