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Thread: New Simulated AASI G25 Coordinates (+ Updates)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamil154 View Post
    Does anyone know what region the HGDP Pashtuns are from? FATA/Parachinar?
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post475484

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamil154 View Post
    Does anyone know what region the HGDP Pashtuns are from? FATA/Parachinar?
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post477476

    There are more generalized coordinates below:
    https://cephb.fr/data/HGDP-CEPH-acce...-03-11-web.pdf

    If you google "32 69 coordinates hgdp pathan" you'll find some excel and doc documents giving coordinates or coordinate ranges.

    Anyways, Sein (former Pakhtun user) also claimed he spoke to geneticists in the past (if you go through his posts) and they all pointed to around Kurram/Parachinar on the Afghan-Pakistan border. Make of it what you will.
    Last edited by Sapporo; 07-27-2021 at 01:00 AM.
    pegasus modeling:
    sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.1506,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 43.33,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 31.67,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
    "closestDistances": [

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    Quote Originally Posted by Observer View Post
    That's the independent analysis i was talking about. In the study itself they do not give any y-dna calls for it but mtdna U8 and in supplementary BK-1653 is stated as female. Someone should email them and confirm further if they have doubts.

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post763950

    Divergence of Australasian populations, Tianyuan, Yana are all relevant to that time frame we're seeing. K2b1 and K2b2 split in Southeast Asia.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26923783/

    "Among the individuals with indigenous Y chromosomes, 44% belong to haplogroup C, with 42% being C-M347 and 2% the basal C-M130∗. Paragroup K∗ constitutes 56% of indigenous Y chromosomes, with 27% being S-P308, 2% being haplogroup M-M186, and 27% being the basal K-M526∗ "

    "Complete sequence data allow direct and accurate inference of the timing of these divergences. Applying a point mutation rate of 0.76 × 10−9 per site per year inferred from the number of missing mutations on the Y chromosome of a ∼45-ky-old radiocarbon-dated Eurasian sample [18], we infer a divergence time of 54.3 ky (95% confidence interval [CI]: 48.0–61.6 ky) between K∗/M chromosomes in Sahul and their closest relatives in the R and Q haplogroups (Figure 1), and a divergence time of 54.1 KY (95% CI: 47.8–61.4 ky) between Sahul C chromosomes and their closest relatives in the C5 haplogroup (Figure 1C), a distinction noted previously on the basis of a single SNP, M347 [9]. These dates are consistent with the archeological record documenting human occupation in Australia by ∼47 kya [2] and with genome-wide analyses that have found an early divergence between the ancestors of Eurasian populations and the ancestors of Aboriginal Australians and Papuans "
    Due to a recent addition to the YFull tree, the Andaman P is now basal to all modern western Eurasian P (Q,R).
    So we have Tianyuan > Filipino> Jehai > Andaman https://www.yfull.com/tree/P/


    "How Was Haplogroup P Split?

    Testing of ancient DNA has been a boon to science and genealogy, both, and one of my particular interests.

    Recently, Goran Runfeldt who heads the R&D team at FamilyTreeDNA was reading the paper titled Ancient migrations in Southeast Asia and noticed that in the supplementary material, several genomic files from ancient samples were available to download. Of course, that was just the beginning, because the files had to be aligned and processed – then the accuracy verified – requiring input from other team members including Michael Sager who maintains the Y DNA haplotree.

    Additionally, the paper’s authors sequenced the whole genomes of two present-day Jehai people from Northern Perak State, West Malaysia, a small group of traditional hunter-gatherers, many of whom still live in isolation. One of those samples was the individual whose Y DNA provided the new root SNP, P-PF5850, that is located above the previous root of haplogroup P, P-P295.

    Until this sample was analyzed by Goran, Michael and team, three SNPs, PF5850, P295 and F115, were considered to be equivalent, because no tie-breaker had surfaced to indicate which SNPs occurred in what order. Now we know that PF5850 happened first and is the root of haplogroup P.

    I asked Michael Sager, the phylogeneticist at FamilyTreeDNA, better-known as “Mr. Big Y,” due to his many-years-long Godfather relationship with the Y DNA tree, how he knew where to place PF5850, and how it became a new root.

    Michael explained that we know that P-PF5850 is the new root because the three SNPs that indicated the previous root, P295, PF5850 and F115 are present in all previous samples, but mutations at both P295 and F115 are absent in the new sample, indicating that PF5850 preceded what is now the old P root.

    The two SNPs, P295 and F115 occurred some time later."
    https://dna-explained.com/2020/09/12...some-branches/

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    Uncles scores:

    Target: AliRaza_scaled
    Distance: 1.7324% / 0.01732425
    42.8 Iran_N
    22.0 AASI
    15.2 Anatolia_N
    12.8 Siberian_N
    3.4 E_Asian_N
    3.2 Levant_N
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    Target: Mine_scaled
    Distance: 1.2775% / 0.01277527
    48.2 Iran_N
    20.4 AASI
    13.4 Siberian_N
    11.8 Anatolia_N
    3.2 WHG
    3.0 E_Asian_N

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    Quote Originally Posted by Observer View Post
    That's the independent analysis i was talking about. In the study itself they do not give any y-dna calls for it but mtdna U8 and in supplementary BK-1653 is stated as female. Someone should email them and confirm further if they have doubts.

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post763950

    Divergence of Australasian populations, Tianyuan, Yana are all relevant to that time frame we're seeing. K2b1 and K2b2 split in Southeast Asia.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26923783/

    "Among the individuals with indigenous Y chromosomes, 44% belong to haplogroup C, with 42% being C-M347 and 2% the basal C-M130∗. Paragroup K∗ constitutes 56% of indigenous Y chromosomes, with 27% being S-P308, 2% being haplogroup M-M186, and 27% being the basal K-M526∗ "

    "Complete sequence data allow direct and accurate inference of the timing of these divergences. Applying a point mutation rate of 0.76 × 10−9 per site per year inferred from the number of missing mutations on the Y chromosome of a ∼45-ky-old radiocarbon-dated Eurasian sample [18], we infer a divergence time of 54.3 ky (95% confidence interval [CI]: 48.0–61.6 ky) between K∗/M chromosomes in Sahul and their closest relatives in the R and Q haplogroups (Figure 1), and a divergence time of 54.1 KY (95% CI: 47.8–61.4 ky) between Sahul C chromosomes and their closest relatives in the C5 haplogroup (Figure 1C), a distinction noted previously on the basis of a single SNP, M347 [9]. These dates are consistent with the archeological record documenting human occupation in Australia by ∼47 kya [2] and with genome-wide analyses that have found an early divergence between the ancestors of Eurasian populations and the ancestors of Aboriginal Australians and Papuans "
    In the main paper too:
    "On the basis of the numbers of putatively deaminated fragments aligning to the X chromosome and the autosomes21 (Supplementary Information 4), we conclude that specimens F6-620, AA7-738, BB7-240 and CC7-335 belonged to males, whereas BK1653 and CC7-2289 belonged to females"
    And the margin is tight for BK1563:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    How is Yana not relevant here even if he is not the most basal? He is definitely much more relevant than modern-day samples, who could arrive there from North Eurasia, South Asia or Central Asia/China in the last 40000 years (surely not recent but in the Paleolithic). I have no strong opinion about the origin of P and it could also originate in South Asia/India, China and Central Asia but an origin in Southeast Asia is so far one of many theories not proven or disproven by any ancient DNA yet. Australiasian K2b1 (MS) and K2b2 are so old that I really would not assume that their modern distribution tells much about the distribution 40000-50000 years ago. Basing this all on modern or DNA distribution in the last 10000 years is, for now, a bit speculative considering all the replacements and migrations.

    Also about BK-1653 i can not say if the sex determination is correct or not but the sample was analyzed here and the calls for P226 are consistent

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....653#post746078
    From Pribilav later in the thread:
    "People need to understand that BK-1653 has abysmally low Y-chromosome coverage, even with all five BAMs combined. So even if there is some derived call at K2a level, nobody should make some grand conclusions based on it, just like nobody should make such conclusions based on those few derived calls at P levels. It would be like claiming H2 was present in Europe during Paleolithic based on Brillenhohle sample."

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    Hi kamil154, I was looking for your Mehrgarh calculator on genoplot and can't find it - has it been removed?

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    Using Ian_Gayles coordinates, also got my parents -

    Target: Auro
    Distance: 1.8067% / 0.01806668
    49.2 Iran_N
    17.8 Anatolia_N
    17.0 AASI
    12.8 Siberian_N
    1.6 E_Asian_N
    1.6 WHG

    Target: AuroDad_scaled
    Distance: 2.4816% / 0.02481601
    51.4 Iran_N
    17.4 Anatolia_N
    15.8 AASI
    12.2 Siberian_N
    1.6 E_Asian_N
    1.0 WHG
    0.6 Levant_N

    Target: AuroMom_scaled
    Distance: 1.8996% / 0.01899635
    49.6 Iran_N
    17.0 AASI
    14.6 Anatolia_N
    13.4 Siberian_N
    2.2 WHG
    1.6 E_Asian_N
    1.6 Levant_N

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    Using Scobar's coordinate on first page of this thread -

    Target: Auro
    Distance: 1.5706% / 0.01570565
    49.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
    15.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    12.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1
    9.2 S_AASI_Sim_Hakkipikki
    8.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    4.8 RUS_West_Siberia_N
    1.4 NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP

    Target: AuroDad_scaled
    Distance: 2.5047% / 0.02504711
    32.6 TJK_Sarazm_En
    29.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
    18.4 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    14.0 S_AASI_Sim_Hakkipikki
    5.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N

    Target: AuroMom_scaled
    Distance: 1.5791% / 0.01579053
    29.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1
    25.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
    17.0 RUS_Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA
    6.6 S_AASI_Sim_Mala
    5.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    5.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    4.6 S_AASI_Sim_Hakkipikki
    4.0 RUS_West_Siberia_N
    1.8 NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP

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