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    Quote Originally Posted by Wing Genealogist View Post
    VK232 is not called at both Z2265 & S19589, but is BY30097- & A2150-
    What about VK313 anything beyond BY30097-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post

    Its not, because you need a people which spoke a dialect which led to Germanic and which led to the specific cultural and genetic profile Germanics had. So its not like if you could travel back in time, you couldn't see that some people were simply closer to and the ancestors of later Germanics, while others were not. I'm speaking about the "evolutionary tree", whether you name it Germanic or not is open to debate, but it doesn't change anything.
    The point is is that Jastorf is retrospective Germanic, it's Germanic because we define it as Germanic. Simply when there were no Roman literati that coined the label Germani, there were no Germanics.

    That makes your conclusion no different when we define Jastorf as core Germanic, than we have defined a kind of nucleus. We can call Nordic Bronze Age proto Germanic but that's partly true, because Jastorf and Nordic Bronze Age are not area's that are 1:1.

    Nevertheless I think we can agree that the auDNA of the Germanic tribes of Northern Germany during the migration time, represent the 'Germanic drift.....'

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    For info, I mailed to Willerslev for a practicable file of the genotypes. Not sure at all to get a response, but in any case, there's no way for me to get the BAMs, far too huge for my poor rural connection. Perhaps some others could do the same, it would be great if we got the hand on the autosomal data?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anglesqueville View Post
    For info, I mailed to Willerslev for a practicable file of the genotypes. Not sure at all to get a response, but in any case, there's no way for me to get the BAMs, far too huge for my poor rural connection. Perhaps some others could do the same, it would be great if we got the hand on the autosomal data?
    My connection is good enough for downloading the bam-files, but I'm not sure my machine is capable of processing them into genotype-data. If someone has experience working with samtools/bcftools and knows how to run the required procedures without melting the CPU I'm all ears though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anglesqueville View Post
    For info, I mailed to Willerslev for a practicable file of the genotypes. Not sure at all to get a response, but in any case, there's no way for me to get the BAMs, far too huge for my poor rural connection. Perhaps some others could do the same, it would be great if we got the hand on the autosomal data?
    I am currently creating autosomal + Eigenstrat files. It will take time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uintah106 View Post
    What about VK313 anything beyond BY30097-
    No call for Z2265. But we should also wait until Roberta Estes' DNA explained blog reports on FTDNA's findings about VK313. At the present time this blog is only up to VK239.

    For instance, FTDNA's analysis has come up with a totally different assignment for VK232: L48>>Z9>>Z2>FGC31495>FGC31514>S9342>Y16505 This sample had one BY30097- call and one Z7 level negative call, but otherwise no other calls between U106 and S9342. This is not all that surprising with ancient DNA remains, where the majority of SNPs are not called. In addition, one negative call (in this case at BY30097) is not necessarily definitive. I cannot independently vouch for the FTDNA assignment, but I did see where there was one positive read for Y16505.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post

    In any case, mixing might make people more dolichocephalic, but it doesn't make them lighter, especially not for the eye color, because light eyes are subdominant. Especially the main switch is in the OCA2 gene:


    https://hudsonalpha.org/the-genetics-of-eye-color/

    Some people with that allel have green eyes, a few brown, but practically all with the dark allel, even if they have other allels for light eyes, have dark ones with a very few exceptions of very, very rare other allel combinations. So if a light and a dark eyed population mix, the result will be always darker in phenotype. And the map you presented is about eye color, which is, by the way, more strictly Mendelian and easier to trace and less susceptible to environmental factors than hair color. Hair color is often determined by more genes and can be easier altered by environmental, health and age factors, like age, nutrition, UV rays and salt water etc. The eye color is more stable and more strictly genetic.
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    OCA2 is not the only influence on color. A recent study that compared eye color to OCA2 status showed that 62 percent of individuals with two copies of the blue-eyed OCA2 allele, as well as 7.5 percent of the individuals who had the brown-eyed OCA2 alleles, had blue eyes.
    But I have the two blue eyes OCA2 alles, but I have brown eyes. That belongs tot the 38%? That's pretty much. But that's I guess the whole range, amber, hazel unto chestnut eyes like me? I'm curios if it's possible to have real dark brown eyes with two OCA2 'blue eyed' allels!? ;)

    May be that is the range Gunther described for the SHG?
    Eye color varying from blue to light brown
    That can be all in the OCA2 light feature range?

    Just curios. But see the discussion about the Vikings not irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bygdedweller View Post
    My connection is good enough for downloading the bam-files, but I'm not sure my machine is capable of processing them into genotype-data. If someone has experience working with samtools/bcftools and knows how to run the required procedures without melting the CPU I'm all ears though.
    There are a few easy-to-use programs (windows based), but it would take time to run this many bam files and I don't know if you can run them simultaneously using those programs? I think the most user friendly is called WGS extract or something like that. Samtools guides and such can be found in various Facebook groups, but again I don't know how it would be to run many files simultaneously.

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    If the rumours are true regarding SGC, this is probably the birthplace of U106, but also P312 due to the fact L238+ is overwhelmingly north and north west European. It might be something like U106+ born in the Danish peninsula and P312+ in the Netherlands. It would also fit well with the similarity between Dutch and British beakers who show up on the scene a few hundred years later.
    YDNA: R1b-BY50830 Stepney, London, UK George Wood b. 1782 English <-> Bavarian cluster
    maternal-gf YDNA: ?? Gurr, James ~1740, Smarden, Kent, England.
    maternal-gm YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    maternal-ggf YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-Z17901. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    If the rumours are true regarding SGC, this is probably the birthplace of U106, but also P312 due to the fact L238+ is overwhelmingly north and north west European. It might be something like U106+ born in the Danish peninsula and P312+ in the Netherlands. It would also fit well with the similarity between Dutch and British beakers who show up on the scene a few hundred years later.
    Would be no surprise! SGC is a whole range:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single...ve_culture.jpg

    R1b P312 is nowadays still prominent in the hotspots of the Bell Beakers, the Central Veluwe (Veluvian) zone:

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