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    Quote Originally Posted by Bygdedweller View Post
    I guess there was a demographic change following the formation of the modern Swedish state. If we go back even further I think the population of Gotland was quite distinct from mainland Swedes after the Neolithic farmers settled the rest of Scandinavia, with hunter-gatherer societies persisting for much longer. I presume the Baltic connection was strong even back then, because they also weren't as touched by the Neolithic farmers. Later we even see individuals buried Battle Axe-style, but with PWC-genetics:
    You think prior to Swedish rule Gotland was heavily Baltic-like? I'm not so sure of that considering that Old Gutnish was a seperate language from Old East Norse.

    The Neolithic revolution did reach Gotland early on though, infact one of the TRB samples in the PCA 25 spreadsheet is from Ansarve, Gotland but you're right that they were co-territorial with the PWC like other regions of southern Scandinavia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helves View Post
    You think prior to Swedish rule Gotland was heavily Baltic-like? I'm not so sure of that considering that Old Gutnish was a seperate language from Old East Norse.
    That's a good point. Overall that seems too far-fetched, because the Viking age-samples seem like examples of more recent influx (not just of Baltic people, also Danes and British). It was a trading-port, so all sorts of people would have made their way there. But there was maritime contact with the Baltic area long before that. Doesn't seem unlikely that some mixture occurred. It's a important point that Germanic culture was dominant though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helves View Post
    The Neolithic revolution did reach Gotland early on though, infact one of the TRB samples in the PCA 25 spreadsheet is from Ansarve, Gotland but you're right that they were co-territorial with the PWC like other regions of southern Scandinavia.
    PWC-findings seem to be much more rich in Gotland than elsewhere though. And the PWC-like peoples with Battle Axe-burials is rather intriguing too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
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    Really like your maps, what program are you using to create them? Could you generate one for VK186? This sample is from the eastern settlement on Greenland, but his Y-DNA suggest that he came from the northwestern coast of Norway (Møre og Romsdal county) as his closest matches are from that area and Dovre in the inner parts of Norway (Oppland county).

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    Feeling like a Norwegian convention in here now

    I am wondering if anyone has created, or know anyone who has, a list of all the viking age samples according to cluster/ethnicity? As I see that it is a days work to sort through them and give them the appropriate labels etc, so I was hoping that someone had already done the dirty work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    Feeling like a Norwegian convention in here now

    I am wondering if anyone has created, or know anyone who has, a list of all the viking age samples according to cluster/ethnicity? As I see that it is a days work to sort through them and give them the appropriate labels etc, so I was hoping that someone had already done the dirty work?
    Yeah, I'm working on that. I'm mostly finished, but there's a bit more to do. It was way more than a day's work, too. Most of these samples are intermediate and it's not entirely clear what they are.

    I'll give you a taste of my preliminary impressions when I get home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    Feeling like a Norwegian convention in here now

    I am wondering if anyone has created, or know anyone who has, a list of all the viking age samples according to cluster/ethnicity? As I see that it is a days work to sort through them and give them the appropriate labels etc, so I was hoping that someone had already done the dirty work?
    Back when all we had were the components designated in the paper, I did some of that. It will be interesting to see how Michalis's efforts with higher quality G25 component analysis compares. My database suffered a sorting seizure one day, but I'm hoping this was reconstructed correctly.

    Top (.7 score or above) Danes:
    VK34
    VK325
    VK165
    VK316
    VK455
    VK384
    VK338
    VK479
    VK295
    VK327
    VK6
    VK364
    VK30
    VK324
    VK446
    VK35
    VK366
    VK433
    VK69
    VK294
    VK323
    VK289

    Top Norway:
    VK390
    VK520
    VK415
    VK414
    VK513
    VK529
    VK547
    VK170
    VK184
    VK392
    VK544
    VK393
    VK172
    VK122
    VK514
    VK400
    VK98
    VK388


    Top Sweden:
    VK482
    VK522
    VK489
    VK343
    VK510
    VK484
    VK532
    VK496
    VK512
    VK506
    VK483
    VK498
    VK549
    VK492
    VK490
    VK488
    VK511
    VK487
    VK553
    VK486
    VK505
    VK493
    VK555
    VK50
    VK508
    VK480
    VK358
    VK485
    VK497
    VK554

    Top Finland:
    VK56
    VK51
    VK395
    VK568

    Top Italy:
    VK537
    VK536
    VK535
    VK534
    VK365

    Top British:
    VK528
    VK456
    VL201
    VK525
    VK203
    VK207
    VK386
    VK202
    VK545
    VK405
    VK111
    VK349
    VK95

    Top Poland:
    VK474
    VK160
    VK139
    VK541
    VK340
    VK542
    VK473
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    Feeling like a Norwegian convention in here now
    Yes Great to see we are all gathered here then, didnt notice it before your post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    Yeah, I'm working on that. I'm mostly finished, but there's a bit more to do. It was way more than a day's work, too. Most of these samples are intermediate and it's not entirely clear what they are.

    I'll give you a taste of my preliminary impressions when I get home.
    Thank you, I am currently working a Eurasian calculator and so far I have only used a handful of these samples, which is a shame to say the least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Back when all we had were the components designated in the paper, I did some of that. It will be interesting to see how Michalis's efforts with higher quality G25 component analysis compares. My database suffered a sorting seizure one day, but I'm hoping this was reconstructed correctly.

    Top (.7 score or above) Danes:
    VK34
    VK325
    VK165
    VK316
    VK455
    VK384
    VK338
    VK479
    VK295
    VK327
    VK6
    VK364
    VK30
    VK324
    VK446
    VK35
    VK366
    VK433
    VK69
    VK294
    VK323
    VK289

    Top Norway:
    VK390
    VK520
    VK415
    VK414
    VK513
    VK529
    VK547
    VK170
    VK184
    VK392
    VK544
    VK393
    VK172
    VK122
    VK514
    VK400
    VK98
    VK388


    Top Sweden:
    VK482
    VK522
    VK489
    VK343
    VK510
    VK484
    VK532
    VK496
    VK512
    VK506
    VK483
    VK498
    VK549
    VK492
    VK490
    VK488
    VK511
    VK487
    VK553
    VK486
    VK505
    VK493
    VK555
    VK50
    VK508
    VK480
    VK358
    VK485
    VK497
    VK554

    Top Finland:
    VK56
    VK51
    VK395
    VK568

    Top Italy:
    VK537
    VK536
    VK535
    VK534
    VK365

    Top British:
    VK528
    VK456
    VL201
    VK525
    VK203
    VK207
    VK386
    VK202
    VK545
    VK405
    VK111
    VK349
    VK95

    Top Poland:
    VK474
    VK160
    VK139
    VK541
    VK340
    VK542
    VK473
    I will wait for Michalis, but I will try to add some of the samples you listed and see how they work in the calculator..

    Quote Originally Posted by davidwhowden View Post
    Yes Great to see we are all gathered here then, didnt notice it before your post
    We know each other from before, but I guess you knew that already. Regards from rainy Bergen..

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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    Thank you, I am currently working a Eurasian calculator and so far I have only used a handful of these samples, which is a shame to say the least.



    I will wait for Michalis, but I will try to add some of the samples you listed and see how they work in the calculator...
    I'm sure his will be much better, but in the meantime, if it helps, the results I listed above are in descending order, so the top ones have the highest % of that component.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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