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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    I would think the easiest solution is not to read his website. I don’t.
    Maybe you should.
    Last edited by Cascio; 07-31-2019 at 09:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascio View Post
    Maybe you should.
    Can you give a good reason why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by etrusco View Post
    Did not post it because it is Carlo's. But now I realize ( when I was searching for a map) that basically 90% of results of research about IE stuffs when you google come from his site.
    However I'm still convinced that north eastern european ( eastern baltic eastern scandinavians. most of Poland and northwestern russians are the most steppe on the continent. I think a refinement of percentage is always possible but it won't alter the overall picture.
    Well, for one, Saami are nowhere near 100% Yamnaya, and Finns aren't even 50% Yamnaya.

    The lack of a Siberian reference population is one of the problems with that graph, but Carlos doesn't understand this nor does he care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    Can you give a good reason why?
    I found some of his Vikings paper post interesting and it made me spot something I hadn't before. It reminds me of Soviet newspapers: you have to read between the lines much of the time, which I seem to have to do increasingly these days anyway. Apart from you and a few (less reputable) sources, there are still surprisingly slim pickings online for those interested in aDNA.
    Living DNA's former Cautious mode:
    Wales-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    North England-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,250 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales
    Mother's Y: traces to Llanvair Discoed, Wales

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascio View Post
    Maybe you should.
    Fortunately, there’s plenty for me to read without resorting to dubious sources. So I think not.

    Nevertheless, each to their own. So if you want to, go right ahead.
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    Ok. So is it a topic still being debated or something?
    Do you have a question or topic about genetics in Spain and/or prefer to use Spanish language? Visit the new subforum!

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    Nothing surprising that Viking era Scanians cluster with Zealand and Funen. It confirms Scanians were always ethnic Danes.

    What's more interesting is that even most of Southern Sweden (Vastgotland) were very Danish - like. This confirms what was already known that Viking era Gaets were allied with Danes and raided with them. So Gaets were no different from Jutes, they were mixed with Danes and into a process of becoming Danish but this process suddenly stopped and they turned Swedes.

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    Any update on this paper's release and more importantly raw data as I want to know the sub group of our DF98 guy buried at Skara if possible (fingers crossed - I have two Swedes in my very small group of FGC14840!)... also curious to see how they fall in a European PCA via the General etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by etrusco View Post
    Did not post it because it is Carlo's. But now I realize ( when I was searching for a map) that basically 90% of results of research about IE stuffs when you google come from his site.
    However I'm still convinced that north eastern european ( eastern baltic eastern scandinavians. most of Poland and northwestern russians are the most steppe on the continent. I think a refinement of percentage is always possible but it won't alter the overall picture.
    add "-site:indo-european.eu" to your search string to omit sites from the results. Works the other way as well, you can deliberately search a site with "+site:bla.bla"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    Here was my count of these major ancient haplogroups.

    I1 92
    R1b 84
    R1a 61
    N 17
    I2 14

    We see R1b nipping right at I1's heels. A lot of folks expect that is U106, and much is, but P312 is actually a larger piece of the R1b pie than U106.

    R1b1a1b1a1a1 U106 29
    R1b1a1b1a1a2 P312 35

    As you said, things haven't changed that much into modern times. I think the Old Norway Project data is over five years old but here was survey of the Nordic countries.
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/01pk7o7ymy...20map.jpg?dl=0

    My contention has been that a lot of R1b has been in the Nordic area for a long time, before the Vikings at least and probably placing foot around the North and Baltic Seas and growing over the latter phases of the Bronze Age.... and that includes R1b-P312.
    Mike, the linked to chart is just what we needed. If anyone looks at the Norway entries, they *all* show S1194 (in the chart S1194 is shown as L11) and this backs up the VK25 & VK234 S1194 finds on the Faroe Islands as totally consistent with the %s of R1b people. Even the DK Jutland Chart shows S1194. But we don't see any (that I noticed) in Sweden.

    Very informative !.

    Is there a link to the Old Norway Project ?. Am very keen to look at where the chart came from. The splitting of R1b into %s is very useful and most helpful.

    Thanks

    DSM (admin S1194 project)
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