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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    He was one of the first authors I consulted on the subject many years ago and he probably was right about many things, roughly. I don't know whether this is correct, but it could be, who knows. We don't even know whether I1 and R1b-U106 came in at the same together or formed a new unity in a later period, after one of the two came to the North. Its all open.

    However, looking at the major turning ponts, like Neolithic colonisation, Corded Ware, Bell Beaker, Nordic Bronze Age, Iron Age etc., I have to say the following: Major influx post-BB is particularly likely during the formation of the Nordic Bronze Age, possible influx from Unetice and the Pannonian-Carpathian region, in the Middle to Late Bronze Age and in the Iron Age transition, again with newcomers from the relative South East. At one of those transitions, I espect major changes taking places and the Tollense paper just showed to us that this is not just possible, but highly likely.
    The question is if these post Nordic influences were really 'game chancers'. SGC mixed with TRB is basically Germanic genetics. I guess you can only see it roughly it's not to pinpoint to diversified for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J1 DYS388=13 View Post
    Where did you find the breakdown for an individual skeleton, such as VK167 being majority Danish-like?
    This link will download the supplementary spreadsheet from the paper. It has all of the relevant info: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...?download=true

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    Just a note that FTDNA is sharing updates from the analysis of these Y chromosomes as they are completed, together with notes about what new branches that could be created or split based on the new data. Each sample is compared to ca 49,000 present-day Big Y testers so in many cases more detailed haplogroup assignments can be found by also comparing the private SNPs. Currently 124 out of ca 300 Y chromosomes have been analyzed.

    https://dna-explained.com/2020/09/18...-updates-here/

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    Has VK139 been assigned a subclade under l1029?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runstroem View Post
    Just a note that FTDNA is sharing updates from the analysis of these Y chromosomes as they are completed, together with notes about what new branches that could be created or split based on the new data. Each sample is compared to ca 49,000 present-day Big Y testers so in many cases more detailed haplogroup assignments can be found by also comparing the private SNPs. Currently 124 out of ca 300 Y chromosomes have been analyzed.

    https://dna-explained.com/2020/09/18...-updates-here/

    Nice, so there is one Z63 I1 after all! There might be more hopefully, but that's the only one i recognized by snp name:

    Sample: VK157 / Poland_Bodzia B5
    Location: Bodzia, Poland
    Age: Viking 10-11th centuries CE
    Y-DNA: I-S2077
    mtDNA: H1c

    Now who was he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runstroem View Post
    Just a note that FTDNA is sharing updates from the analysis of these Y chromosomes as they are completed, together with notes about what new branches that could be created or split based on the new data. Each sample is compared to ca 49,000 present-day Big Y testers so in many cases more detailed haplogroup assignments can be found by also comparing the private SNPs. Currently 124 out of ca 300 Y chromosomes have been analyzed.

    https://dna-explained.com/2020/09/18...-updates-here/

    Hello Runstroem,

    Welcome to the forum. It’s very nice to have the analysis and to read through their notes! Do you by any chance know if they’ll be putting the VK samples on FTDNA’s tree?
    Last edited by JMcB; 09-19-2020 at 12:07 AM.
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    In how many days are we going to see all these samples uploaded to Global25?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent.B View Post
    Has VK139 been assigned a subclade under l1029?
    yes [BY32008]
    downstream of FGC66323 > YP6048

    Sample: VK139 / Denmark_Galgedil ANG
    Location: Galgedil, Funen, Denmark
    Age: Viking 9-11th centuries CE
    Y-DNA: R-BY32008
    mtDNA: J1c3k
    Geno2.0 51SEURO 19WCEURO 13SCANDINAVIA 5ASIAMINOR 4EEURO 4GB/IRELAND 3ARABIA myOrigins 26ITA.PENINSULA 13GREECE&BALKANS 12SARDINIA 18GREATBRITAIN 14IRELAND 10CEN.EUROPE 8SCANDINAVIA DNA.Land 49NWEURO 27SEURO 13MED.ISLANDER 11SARDINIAN myHeritage 51.8NWEURO 33.2ITALIAN 7.9GREEK/S.ITALY 7.1BALKAN gencove 29NITALY 19EMED 15NBRITISLES 12SWEURO 10NCEURO 9SCANDINAVIA 6NEEURO GenePlaza 54.4NWEURO 37.6GREEK/ALBANIAN 5.6WASIAN 2.4SWASIA LivingDNA 70.7SGERMANIC 16.3TUSCANY 9.2N.ITALY 3.8SARDINIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wing Genealogist View Post
    No call for Z2265. But we should also wait until Roberta Estes' DNA explained blog reports on FTDNA's findings about VK313. At the present time this blog is only up to VK239.

    For instance, FTDNA's analysis has come up with a totally different assignment for VK232: L48>>Z9>>Z2>FGC31495>FGC31514>S9342>Y16505 This sample had one BY30097- call and one Z7 level negative call, but otherwise no other calls between U106 and S9342. This is not all that surprising with ancient DNA remains, where the majority of SNPs are not called. In addition, one negative call (in this case at BY30097) is not necessarily definitive. I cannot independently vouch for the FTDNA assignment, but I did see where there was one positive read for Y16505.
    This is from DNA-explained:

    Sample: VK232 / Gotland_Kopparsvik-240.65
    Location: Kopparsvik, Gotland, Sweden
    Age: Viking 900-1050 CE
    Y-DNA: R-Y16505
    FTDNA Comment: Speculative placement – U106+, but U106 (C>T) in ancient samples can be misleading. LAV010, NA34, I7779, ble007, R55 and EDM124 are all non-R ancient samples that are U106+. More conservative placement is at R-P310
    mtDNA: N1a1a1

    So more conservatively P-310 but still probably U106?

    What exactly does she mean by “U106 (C>T) in ancient samples can be misleading?

    Is it C>T in specific locations or everywhere?
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    C>T and G>A mutations are the most common form of DNA damage (deamination) in ancient samples.

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