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    Now, this one is really cool: "Karaites, Samaritans and praying with a ‘minyan’. An Attempt at a Samaritan-Karaite Alliance in the 19th Century"

    https://toldotyisrael.wordpress.com/...-19th-century/

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    In the Spring of 1864, the noted Karaite figure, Abraham Firkovich, found himself in the Samaritan community of Mt. Gerizim in the city of Nablus, known in Hebrew as Shchem. Firkovich,was on a mission to buy as many hand-written manuscripts as he could get his hands on.
    This strange episode and a reproduction of the contract signed between the 2 parties can be found in in an article published in the Journal Studia Orientalia (1997, vol. 82, pp. 85-98), entitled SAMARITAN AND KARAIM COMMITMENTS TO MINYAN, ABRAHAM FIRKOVICH AND THE POOR OF TRAKAI by Tapai harvianinen, Haseeb Shehadeh, and Harry Halen 3.
    English Translation of the contract:

    By the Mt. Sinai covenant and the decrees of Mount Horeb, we, the Israelites, the inhabitants of the town of Nablus in the gathering of the leaders of the community are making a covenant and appending our signets to this document of regulation in order to fulfill those conditions which are clarified in the Arabic language. It is the eve of the blessed Tuesday, the 28th day of the 12th month of the year 1280 n (4-5 june 1864 a.d.) in the presence of his excellency, the Chief Rabbi (!) of our respected brethren, rabbi אלחכם Abraham Firkovich, in the town of Nablus while meeting his excellency and in the footsteps of negotiation and listening to his magnificent spiritual counsel all we who append our names and signets below have agreed to come the House of God (Synagogue) itended for prayers in order to perform the ritual prayer twice a day in the evening and in the morning in accordance with our duty and the practice of our fathers of long standing. And we will not be restrained from doing so without a clear excuse .And for this agreement of ours we have composed this as notification of what we have agreed upon in the presence of his excellency referred to on the date mentioned above. We ask God to give us success (in achieving) what he chooses and wishes and may God’s peace rest upon Moses b Amram.

    It is well and if one or 2 persons of the community come (to the Synagogue) then it will not be necessary for the priest to pray unless an assembly of ten persons at least (is present). With less than ten he (the priest), ought not to perform public prayers, and upon this agreement was reached.
    At least Firkovich acknowledges his Israelite roots in this and we know therefore, the Samaritans acknowledged him as an Israelite as well.
    Last edited by StillWater; 07-24-2019 at 07:33 PM.
    הִנְנִי֩ מֵבִ֨יא אוֹתָ֜ם מֵאֶ֣רֶץ צָפ֗וֹן

    Jeremiah 31

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    Some more names from the Krymchack video in the OP:

    Ilya Venyaminovich Achkinaze
    Parents: Venyamin Moiseyevich Achkinaze
    Yulia Mikhailovna Achkinaze

    Lazar Lvovich Mangupli
    Parents:Lev (can't make out patrynomic) Mangupli
    Sarah Lazarevna Mangupli

    Iosif Aronovich Lumbrozo
    Parents:Aron Iosivich Lumbrozo
    Sarah Moiseyevna Lumbrozo

    Alexandra Illorionovna Gurdji
    Parents: (can't make out first and patrynomic) Levi
    Gurdji-Elyash? (can't make up mother's surname after hyphen)

    Someone's friends:

    Niki
    Chulak
    Valit
    Angelo


    Nina Yurevna Karazubazarskaya/sky (might be a joke, and her real surname is still Bakshi)
    Parents: Yuri Semenovich Bakshi
    Katarina Iosivna Gurdji
    step-dad: Yakov Lazarevich Gotta(likely a russified pronouncation of Guetta)

    As before, the father's surname will often differ from the daughter's , as she's now married. Again, surnames are bolded.

    This reminds me of Zamir Gotta, who starred on Anthony Bourdain's show and in one episode revealed that he's from Crimea and that his dad was Jewish. In fact, watching the video again, he might be Jewish on both sides.
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    Jeremiah 31

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61-L8qk_mCQ
    On my view a very intersting video, about linguistic analysis of some text from Firkovich collection (in Russian).

    The text itself is translation of Torah (likely Rabbanic, not Karaite) to old Kipchak language (that was spoken in Golden Horde) using Aramean letters.
    Later he shows that some hand-written texts of Russian Christian Bible contain several borrowings from that Kypchak language text.

    Golden Horde Jews included both Karaite and Rabbanite communities that likely came from Babel.
    Rabbanic Golden Horde Jews were later incorporated in much more numerous Polish-Lithuana Ashkenazy Community.
    Members of Karaite community of Golden Horde Jews settled in Crimea and formed Karaite communities in Poland-Lithuana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemv View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61-L8qk_mCQ
    On my view a very intersting video, about linguistic analysis of some text from Firkovich collection (in Russian).

    The text itself is translation of Torah (likely Rabbanic, not Karaite) to old Kipchak language (that was spoken in Golden Horde) using Aramean letters.
    Later he shows that some hand-written texts of Russian Christian Bible contain several borrowings from that Kypchak language text.

    Golden Horde Jews included both Karaite and Rabbanite communities that likely came from Babel.
    Rabbanic Golden Horde Jews were later incorporated in much more numerous Polish-Lithuana Ashkenazy Community.
    Members of Karaite community of Golden Horde Jews settled in Crimea and formed Karaite communities in Poland-Lithuana.
    Great find. Will have to watch it carefully - am skeptical of the standards in Russian academia. However, this potentially has a lot of interesting and relevant facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StillWater View Post
    Great find. Will have to watch it carefully - am skeptical of the standards in Russian academia. However, this potentially has a lot of interesting and relevant facts.
    He several times thanked for help his collegues from Israel (if I remember it well it was Hebrew U), if I understand it well he himself is a specialist in Kipchak languages.
    P.S. Please write here about your impression.

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