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    Hey guys not sure if we have a thread for UP Syeds but if we don't then please feel free to post them on here! (dont care if its shia or sunni)

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    I'm a UP Syed also.

    Paternal line is from Lucknow and maternal line is from Barabanki and Fatehpur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subzero85 View Post
    I'm a UP Syed also.

    Paternal line is from Lucknow and maternal line is from Barabanki and Fatehpur.
    Post your harappaworld results.

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    HarrappaWorld Calculator Admix Results:
    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 35.03
    2 Baloch 33.17
    3 Caucasian 13.83
    4 NE-Euro 7.47
    5 SE-Asian 1.22
    6 Siberian 1.77
    7 NE-Asian 2.16
    8 Papuan 0.64
    9 American 0.59
    10 Beringian 0.72
    11 Mediterranean 0.96
    12 SW-Asian 2.45

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

    I'm HRP0261 which is 1 or 2 points off from the above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by subzero85 View Post
    I'm a UP Syed also.

    Paternal line is from Lucknow and maternal line is from Barabanki and Fatehpur.
    Are they Shia or Sunni?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuterium_1 View Post
    Are they Shia or Sunni?
    They are Twelver Shias

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    I honestly had a similar idea of making a table that had samples of South Asian Syeds with sects, admixture results and haplgroups.

    I have seen some incredibly diverse haplogroups with South Asian Syeds as a whole:

    For example Amroha Naqvis with I2b1 (must be some fascinating story there).

    On the whole I have seen:

    J1
    J2
    EV-12
    R1a
    R2
    R1b
    H-M82
    I2b1
    L1

    Also three Jaffery men I know are all J-M47 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M47/), but at least two out of three are distantly related. I know a fourth one is getting tested, I want to see if this pattern continues to hold.
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    I am a 36th generation descendent of Husayn ibn Ali on my maternal side from Delhi through ancestors from Hadhramaut (https://www.jstor.org/stable/23654528?seq=1), paternal side is from around UP but the Syed ancestry has not been verified. Sunni on both sides, haplogroup R-Z93.

    HarrapaWorld Calculator:

    Population %:

    1 S-Indian 35.31
    2 Baloch 32.74
    3 NE-Euro 8.71
    4 Caucasian 6.9
    5 Mediterranean 6.11
    6 SW-Asian 3.83
    7 NE-Asian 2.83
    8 Siberian 2.59
    9 Beringian 0.74
    10 Papuan 0.11
    11 San 0.08
    12 American 0.04


    Single Population Sharing:

    1 up-muslim (harappa) 5.87
    2 nepalese-a (xing) 8.51
    3 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 8.61
    4 up-brahmin (harappa) 8.89
    5 punjabi (harappa) 9.18
    6 bihari-muslim (harappa) 9.34
    7 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 9.4
    8 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 9.65
    9 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 9.73
    10 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 9.89
    11 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 9.95
    12 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 10.14
    13 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 10.36
    14 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 10.38
    15 vaish (reich) 10.6
    16 kashmiri (harappa) 10.83
    17 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 11.59
    18 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 11.64
    19 cochin-jew (behar) 11.8
    20 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 11.82


    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    1 88.9% up-brahmin (harappa) + 11.1% morocco-n (henn2012) @ 4.16
    2 88.5% up-brahmin (harappa) + 11.5% algeria (henn2012) @ 4.21
    3 82.8% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 17.2% morocco-jew (behar) @ 4.24
    4 89.5% up-brahmin (harappa) + 10.5% tunisia (henn2012) @ 4.28
    5 89% up-brahmin (harappa) + 11% mozabite (hgdp) @ 4.3
    6 88.4% up-brahmin (harappa) + 11.6% libya (henn2012) @ 4.33
    7 89.2% up-brahmin (harappa) + 10.8% saharawi (henn2012) @ 4.36
    8 88.7% up-brahmin (harappa) + 11.3% moroccan (behar) @ 4.39
    9 80.7% gujarati (harappa) + 19.3% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 4.4
    10 82.5% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 17.5% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 4.41
    11 81.3% gujarati (harappa) + 18.7% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 4.43
    12 82.3% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 17.7% morocco-jew (behar) @ 4.44
    13 80.6% gujarati (harappa) + 19.4% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 4.44
    14 81.9% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 18.1% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 4.45
    15 82.1% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 17.9% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 4.45
    16 83% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 17% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 4.46
    17 78.4% kerala-nair (harappa) + 21.6% romanian-a (behar) @ 4.49
    18 87.6% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 12.4% morocco-jew (behar) @ 4.5
    19 63.3% dharkar (metspalu) + 36.7% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 4.52
    20 84.5% vaish (reich) + 15.5% morocco-jew (behar) @ 4.58

    Using 4 populations approximation:

    1 brahui_hgdp + chenchu_metspalu + cochin-jew_behar + singapore-indian-d_sgvp @ 3.827779
    2 brahui_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + south-african-indian_harappa @ 3.866014
    3 ap-reddy_harappa + makrani_hgdp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + sri-lankan_harappa @ 3.892718
    4 brahui_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + hallaki_reich + singapore-indian-d_sgvp @ 3.950596
    5 makrani_hgdp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + sri-lankan_harappa + tamil_harappa @ 3.954199
    6 ap-hyderabad_harappa + brahui_hgdp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + sri-lankan_harappa @ 3.983133
    7 balochi_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + south-african-indian_harappa @ 3.995781
    8 ap-hyderabad_harappa + makrani_hgdp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + sri-lankan_harappa @ 4.004289
    9 punjabi-ramgarhia_harappa + sri-lankan_harappa + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 4.004290
    10 balochi_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + tamil-vellalar_harappa @ 4.007926
    11 brahui_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + up-scheduled-caste_metspalu @ 4.011124
    12 brahui_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + tamil-nadar_harappa @ 4.013818
    13 brahui_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + kurumba_metspalu + singapore-indian-d_sgvp @ 4.015456
    14 brahui_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + tamil-vellalar_harappa @ 4.032162
    15 brahui_hgdp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + sri-lankan_harappa + tamil_harappa @ 4.040071
    16 lambadi_metspalu + makrani_hgdp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + sri-lankan_harappa @ 4.052346
    17 brahui_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + dusadh_metspalu + singapore-indian-d_sgvp @ 4.055705
    18 karnataka_harappa + makrani_hgdp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + sri-lankan_harappa @ 4.061089
    19 brahui_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + singapore-indian-a_sgvp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp @ 4.062144
    20 andhra-pradesh_harappa + makrani_hgdp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + sri-lankan_harappa @ 4.065078

    I've attached my 23andMe results as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subzero85 View Post
    I honestly had a similar idea of making a table that had samples of South Asian Syeds with sects, admixture results and haplgroups.

    I have seen some incredibly diverse haplogroups with South Asian Syeds as a whole:

    For example Amroha Naqvis with I2b1 (must be some fascinating story there).

    On the whole I have seen:

    J1
    J2
    EV-12
    R1a
    R2
    R1b
    H-M82
    I2b1
    L1

    Also three Jaffery men I know are all J-M47 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M47/), but at least two out of three are distantly related. I know a fourth one is getting tested, I want to see if this pattern continues to hold.
    This might help:

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

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    With UP Shia being West Eurasian inflected on the Y-Haplo.

    But also being normally Indian on the mtDNA does suggest that conversions to Shia Islam of South Asians were gender biased toward females.

    One of the main reasons why I did genetic testing was to find out if I had MENA/Central Asian paternal ancestry... I came out as J2 so I did further testing to get closer to if my J2 was from an ancient migration to India or if it was a recent MENA/Central Asian ancestor.
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