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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    https://www.yseq.net/product_info.ph...oducts_id=8006
    And yet,
    I2a2a1b1b1 1000-800 BCE I12471
    I2a2a1b1b1 1000-800 BCE I12149
    Both Swat samples:
    M223>L701>L699>pre-L704
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-L699/

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    https://www.yseq.net/product_info.ph...oducts_id=8006
    And yet,
    I2a2a1b1b1 1000-800 BCE I12471
    I2a2a1b1b1 1000-800 BCE I12149
    I think his Y-DNA could be a foreign ancestor, I admit that I initially thought it was an embarrassing Anglo-Indian situation at first, but the lack of British/Irish admixture shifted my view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subzero85 View Post
    I think his Y-DNA could be a foreign ancestor, I admit that I initially thought it was an embarrassing Anglo-Indian situation at first, but the lack of British/Irish admixture shifted my view.
    Ultimately pre-historic - yes. Historic - possible, but I doubt it. Futher SNP tests could resolve.

    He looks negative for CTS616 and and SK1254
    Possibly on a line parallel to the M223>L701>L699>pre-L704 line splitting at the Y3259 level or earlier. https://yfull.com/tree/I-M223*/ R7 and R15 are Mesolitic samples from Italy: Grotta Continenza 7284 - 7065 calBCE

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Ultimately pre-historic - yes. Historic - possible, but I doubt it. Futher SNP tests could resolve.

    He looks negative for CTS616 and and SK1254
    Possibly on a line parallel to the M223>L701>L699>pre-L704 line splitting at the Y3259 level or earlier. https://yfull.com/tree/I-M223*/ R7 and R15 are Mesolitic samples from Italy: Grotta Continenza 7284 - 7065 calBCE
    I see a Pakistani (possibly Hazara?) and a Frenchman within 3500 years TMRCA.

    The HGDP samples had one with paternal I and that was one of the Hazara samples, which I think is this one.

    https://yfull.com/tree/I-Y6512*/
    Last edited by subzero85; 10-31-2020 at 06:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subzero85 View Post
    I see a Pakistani (possibly Hazara?) and a Frenchman within 3500 years TMRCA.

    The HGDP samples had one with paternal I and that was one of the Hazara samples, which I think is this one.

    https://yfull.com/tree/I-Y6512*/
    Yes I recall that Hazara M223 from the Sengupta paper.
    HGDP00127 Hazara Pakistan North South Asia Indo-European M170\M223\M379
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...ort=objectonly

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Yes I recall that Hazara M223 from the Sengupta paper.
    HGDP00127 Hazara Pakistan North South Asia Indo-European M170\M223\M379
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...ort=objectonly
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

    I see some Iraqi hits on here for I-M233.

    Bani Assad? Bani Kalb? Generally Shia Arab tribes

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    Quote Originally Posted by subzero85 View Post
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

    I see some Iraqi hits on here for I-M233.

    Bani Assad? Bani Kalb? Generally Shia Arab tribes
    Three of them say Alani including two M223. The Alani were a Caucasus area tribe that joined and moved with the Hoons. At least one Roman historian also places them in India.

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    My updated 23andMe results:

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    Quote Originally Posted by subzero85 View Post
    I think this is a good example of a founder affect.

    The next two results are those of two members of the Amroha Sadaat.

    This is the first individual's autosomal.

    Attachment 40741

    Some community provided heritage information: http://sadat-e-amrohacanada.org/about/our-roots/

    They claim a foreign ancestor from modern-day Wasit, Iraq; who would be a Naqvi.
    The Barah/Barha Syeds of Wasit origin - a descendant is R1a1, likely L657.
    Possible returnees to the subcontinent:
    "In the time of the civil war the marshlands in Irak between Basra and Wasit had been occupied by a large population of Indians, called yat, or, according to the Arabic pronunciation, Zoti, who infested the roads and levied a heavy tribute from the ships ascending and descending the Tigris. From the year 821 onwards Mamun had tried in vain to bring them to submission. When Motasim came back to Bagdad, after the death of his brother, he found the people in great distress, their supply of dates from Basra having been cut off by the Zott, and resolved to put them down with all means. After seven months of vigorous resistance, they at last yielded on condition of safety of life and property. In January 835 the Zott in their national costume and with their own music were conducted on a great number of boats through Bagdad. Thence they were transported to Ainzarba (Anazarba) on the frontier of the Greek empire. Twenty years later they entered Asia Minor, whence in a later period they came into Europe, under the name of Athinganoi (Ziganes) and Egyptians (gipsies)." https://theodora.com/encyclopedia/c/caliphate.html

    They were folk who likely were buffalo pastoralists and steel workers.
    "The inclusion of buffalo in pastoral herds is rare and those in Iran are thought to derive from the migrations of the Zott Gypsies in the eighth century"
    https://www.odi.org/sites/odi.org.uk...files/6329.pdf

    Al Tabari mentions them as folk from Hind who came in two migrations.
    https://books.google.com/books?id=df2mIOnbrDoC&pg=PA23

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