UP Syed Results

[Raza94]

Hey guys not sure if we have a thread for UP Syeds but if we don't then please feel free to post them on here! (dont care if its shia or sunni)

[subzero85]

I'm a UP Syed also.

Paternal line is from Lucknow and maternal line is from Barabanki and Fatehpur.

[Kulin]

I'm a UP Syed also.

Paternal line is from Lucknow and maternal line is from Barabanki and Fatehpur.

Post your harappaworld results.

[subzero85]

HarrappaWorld Calculator Admix Results:
# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 35.03
2 Baloch 33.17
3 Caucasian 13.83
4 NE-Euro 7.47
5 SE-Asian 1.22
6 Siberian 1.77
7 NE-Asian 2.16
8 Papuan 0.64
9 American 0.59
10 Beringian 0.72
11 Mediterranean 0.96
12 SW-Asian 2.45

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

I'm HRP0261 which is 1 or 2 points off from the above.

[deuterium_1]

I'm a UP Syed also.

Paternal line is from Lucknow and maternal line is from Barabanki and Fatehpur.

Are they Shia or Sunni?

[subzero85]

Are they Shia or Sunni?

They are Twelver Shias

[subzero85]

I honestly had a similar idea of making a table that had samples of South Asian Syeds with sects, admixture results and haplgroups.

I have seen some incredibly diverse haplogroups with South Asian Syeds as a whole:

For example Amroha Naqvis with I2b1 (must be some fascinating story there).

On the whole I have seen:

J1
J2
EV-12
R1a
R2
R1b
H-M82
I2b1
L1

Also three Jaffery men I know are all J-M47 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M47/), but at least two out of three are distantly related. I know a fourth one is getting tested, I want to see if this pattern continues to hold.

[pakistani]

I am a 36th generation descendent of Husayn ibn Ali on my maternal side from Delhi through ancestors from Hadhramaut (https://www.jstor.org/stable/23654528?seq=1), paternal side is from around UP but the Syed ancestry has not been verified. Sunni on both sides, haplogroup R-Z93.

HarrapaWorld Calculator:

Population %:

1 S-Indian 35.31
2 Baloch 32.74
3 NE-Euro 8.71
4 Caucasian 6.9
5 Mediterranean 6.11
6 SW-Asian 3.83
7 NE-Asian 2.83
8 Siberian 2.59
9 Beringian 0.74
10 Papuan 0.11
11 San 0.08
12 American 0.04


Single Population Sharing:

1 up-muslim (harappa) 5.87
2 nepalese-a (xing) 8.51
3 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 8.61
4 up-brahmin (harappa) 8.89
5 punjabi (harappa) 9.18
6 bihari-muslim (harappa) 9.34
7 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 9.4
8 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 9.65
9 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 9.73
10 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 9.89
11 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 9.95
12 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 10.14
13 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 10.36
14 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 10.38
15 vaish (reich) 10.6
16 kashmiri (harappa) 10.83
17 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 11.59
18 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 11.64
19 cochin-jew (behar) 11.8
20 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 11.82


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 88.9% up-brahmin (harappa) + 11.1% morocco-n (henn2012) @ 4.16
2 88.5% up-brahmin (harappa) + 11.5% algeria (henn2012) @ 4.21
3 82.8% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 17.2% morocco-jew (behar) @ 4.24
4 89.5% up-brahmin (harappa) + 10.5% tunisia (henn2012) @ 4.28
5 89% up-brahmin (harappa) + 11% mozabite (hgdp) @ 4.3
6 88.4% up-brahmin (harappa) + 11.6% libya (henn2012) @ 4.33
7 89.2% up-brahmin (harappa) + 10.8% saharawi (henn2012) @ 4.36
8 88.7% up-brahmin (harappa) + 11.3% moroccan (behar) @ 4.39
9 80.7% gujarati (harappa) + 19.3% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 4.4
10 82.5% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 17.5% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 4.41
11 81.3% gujarati (harappa) + 18.7% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 4.43
12 82.3% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 17.7% morocco-jew (behar) @ 4.44
13 80.6% gujarati (harappa) + 19.4% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 4.44
14 81.9% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 18.1% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 4.45
15 82.1% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 17.9% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 4.45
16 83% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 17% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 4.46
17 78.4% kerala-nair (harappa) + 21.6% romanian-a (behar) @ 4.49
18 87.6% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 12.4% morocco-jew (behar) @ 4.5
19 63.3% dharkar (metspalu) + 36.7% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 4.52
20 84.5% vaish (reich) + 15.5% morocco-jew (behar) @ 4.58

Using 4 populations approximation:

1 brahui_hgdp + chenchu_metspalu + cochin-jew_behar + singapore-indian-d_sgvp @ 3.827779
2 brahui_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + south-african-indian_harappa @ 3.866014
3 ap-reddy_harappa + makrani_hgdp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + sri-lankan_harappa @ 3.892718
4 brahui_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + hallaki_reich + singapore-indian-d_sgvp @ 3.950596
5 makrani_hgdp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + sri-lankan_harappa + tamil_harappa @ 3.954199
6 ap-hyderabad_harappa + brahui_hgdp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + sri-lankan_harappa @ 3.983133
7 balochi_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + south-african-indian_harappa @ 3.995781
8 ap-hyderabad_harappa + makrani_hgdp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + sri-lankan_harappa @ 4.004289
9 punjabi-ramgarhia_harappa + sri-lankan_harappa + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 4.004290
10 balochi_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + tamil-vellalar_harappa @ 4.007926
11 brahui_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + up-scheduled-caste_metspalu @ 4.011124
12 brahui_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + tamil-nadar_harappa @ 4.013818
13 brahui_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + kurumba_metspalu + singapore-indian-d_sgvp @ 4.015456
14 brahui_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + tamil-vellalar_harappa @ 4.032162
15 brahui_hgdp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + sri-lankan_harappa + tamil_harappa @ 4.040071
16 lambadi_metspalu + makrani_hgdp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + sri-lankan_harappa @ 4.052346
17 brahui_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + dusadh_metspalu + singapore-indian-d_sgvp @ 4.055705
18 karnataka_harappa + makrani_hgdp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + sri-lankan_harappa @ 4.061089
19 brahui_hgdp + cochin-jew_behar + singapore-indian-a_sgvp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp @ 4.062144
20 andhra-pradesh_harappa + makrani_hgdp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp + sri-lankan_harappa @ 4.065078

I've attached my 23andMe results as well.

23andme Results.png

[deuterium_1]

I honestly had a similar idea of making a table that had samples of South Asian Syeds with sects, admixture results and haplgroups.

I have seen some incredibly diverse haplogroups with South Asian Syeds as a whole:

For example Amroha Naqvis with I2b1 (must be some fascinating story there).

On the whole I have seen:

J1
J2
EV-12
R1a
R2
R1b
H-M82
I2b1
L1

Also three Jaffery men I know are all J-M47 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M47/), but at least two out of three are distantly related. I know a fourth one is getting tested, I want to see if this pattern continues to hold.

This might help:

https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

[subzero85]

With UP Shia being West Eurasian inflected on the Y-Haplo.

But also being normally Indian on the mtDNA does suggest that conversions to Shia Islam of South Asians were gender biased toward females.

One of the main reasons why I did genetic testing was to find out if I had MENA/Central Asian paternal ancestry... I came out as J2 so I did further testing to get closer to if my J2 was from an ancient migration to India or if it was a recent MENA/Central Asian ancestor.