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    Quote Originally Posted by deuterium_1 View Post
    I am sure you will one day



    Well I have a Sabzawari who is a mutual friend on Facebook, I think he is related to me somehow.



    Yes it is was quite rare to occur in the UK itself, it was heavily frowned upon not least because of memories of the 1857 mutiny as well as British rule being based partly on the idea of racial superiority so any mixing was seen as a threat to that.

    That Anglo-Indian line has assimilated into the British population, my 4th cousin looks English now.
    I think there are also a lot of fake sabzwari in the same way that you get fake gardezis. In the sense that they might very well be sayyid but aren't connected to actual original families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by royaljoker View Post
    I think there are also a lot of fake sabzwari in the same way that you get fake gardezis. In the sense that they might very well be sayyid but aren't connected to actual original families.
    Wouldn't surprise me.

    My nana is friends with Syed Ziaur Rahman who is one of the trustees of the Ibn Sina Academy of Medieval Medicine and Sciences at Aligarh Muslim University, he belongs to the Mewat branch of Gardezi Sadaat:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syed_Ziaur_Rahman
    Last edited by deuterium_1; 01-06-2021 at 04:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuterium_1 View Post
    Wouldn't surprise me.

    My nana is friends with Syed Ziaur Rahman who is one of the trustees of the Ibn Sina Academy of Medieval Medicine and Sciences at Aligarh Muslim University, he belongs to the Mewat branch of Gardezi Sadaat:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syed_Ziaur_Rahman
    Who do the gardezis descend from ? like the sabzwari's are from Imam Reza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by royaljoker View Post
    Who do the gardezis descend from ? like the sabzwari's are from Imam Reza.
    Gardezi Sadaat members that I know are Naqvi. Including the E-M34 guy that I mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by royaljoker View Post
    Who do the gardezis descend from ? like the sabzwari's are from Imam Reza.
    The two branches of Gardezi Sadaat descend from two brothers who migrated from Mashhad to Gardez via Sabzawar during the Mongol invasions of Khorasan, their names were Mir Syed Shahabuddin and Mir Syed Shamsuddin. The former settled in Kara-Manikpur in what is now Uttar Pradesh (the branch which my great grandmother's stepmother was descended from) and the latter settled in Mewat in Haryana.

    Also found this:

    According to Tarikhul Aimma fi Zikr Khulafai Ummah by Mir Mahboob Ali, "some family members of Syed Shamsuddin Daod were settled in Sabzwar, and hence also known as Syed Sabzwari".
    According to Tarikh-i-Firuz_Shahi by Ziauddin Barani, the families that belonged in the period of Sultan Iltutmish and remained in the period of Ghiyas ud din Balban were also from ancestors of Syed Chajju.

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    So gardezis are actually bukhari sayyids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by royaljoker View Post
    So gardezis are actually bukhari sayyids.
    In what way?

    They claim to come from Mashhad in Iran originally

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuterium_1 View Post
    In what way?

    They claim to come from Mashhad in Iran originally
    As all bukhari sayyids are descendants of Jalaluddin Surkh-Posh. I think bukharis are by definition Naqavi. But I'm not sure. I think I read it somewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by royaljoker View Post
    As all bukhari sayyids are descendants of Jalaluddin Surkh-Posh. I think bukharis are by definition Naqavi. But I'm not sure. I think I read it somewhere
    Yes they are

    Gardezi Sayyids technically claim to be Mashhadis rather than Bukharis.

    Mashhad is holy to the Shia because it has the grave and mosque complex of Imam Ali al Ridha (known as Imam Ali Reza in Iran). Rizvis claim descent from him.

    My great great great grandfather Syed Fasih-uz-Zaman Sami Ahmed lived in Azamgarh district and was apparently a Hussaini Syed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakman View Post
    Hey guys my brother done 23andme and under the North Indian & Pakistan the top one he got is Uttar Pradesh followed by Khyber Pakhtunkhwa which makes sense since we come from a town on the border between Punjab and Khyber. Though Uttar Pradesh was a bit out of place at first glance.

    We also got Central Asia, Kabul 6%.
    N/W Asia Iranian cauc and mes 1.6%

    Our paternal DNA is C-Z5895
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    Can anyone tell me where the Y DNA comes from? There’s no information on it on the internet that I could find, 23andme says it’s very rare.
    I would not say your Y-DNA it that rare. Definetly not in a South Asian or KPK/Punjab context. The clade is under C-K98, which is common in South Asia but was also found among Tajiks (both in Tajikistan and Afghanistan), Pashtuns and Gulf Arabs (likely with recent Indian, Baluch or Central Asian ancestry). It is distantly related to C clades in South-East Asia, so it looks like a good candidate for a ASI/Pre-Neolithic South Asian HG lineage.

    Interestingly one 35000 years old HG from West Russia (Kostenki) was according to Yfull under C-K281*, which is a upstream of K98 but diverged from it already 50000 years ago. Today the Kostenki C-K281 has it closest relatives in South China and South Asia (K98).

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-K281/

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