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    Quote Originally Posted by hartaisarlag View Post
    Shoutout to the priests:

    J1-ZS227-Y5400 (S12192)

    Frequency (Penninx): 5%
    TMRCA (YFull): 400 CE

    Main branches:
    J-Y31161 (TMRCA: 400 CE)
    J-Y5399 (TMRCA: 950 CE)

    Notes:
    - Nomenclature different in YTree vs. Haplotree.
    - Haplotree identifies possible basal Moroccan (Jew?), Algerian (Jew?), Ashkenazim. Includes Norwegian and Irish in downstream branches.

    Parent branch:
    J-Y3088 (Y18271) (TMRCA: 900 BCE)
    - Includes Turkish (Jew?), Englishman, Sardinian, Peruvian, Greeks (Jewish?), Yemenite Jew, Salvadoran, Lebanese, Mexican, and Puerto Rican.
    Sibling branches:
    J-ZS2432 (TMRCA: 750 CE)
    - Ashkenazim
    J-ZS2458 (TMRCA: 800 BCE)
    - Iraqi (Jew?)
    J-FGC17491 (TMRCA: 250 CE)
    - Includes Portuguese, Spaniards, Moroccan Jew, Mexican, Ashkenazim
    J-ZS237 (TMRCA: Not reported)
    - Italians

    Grandparent branch:
    J-S0075 (ZS227) (TMRCA: 3400 BCE)
    - Haplotree identifies possible basal Iraqi (Jew?), Kuwaiti, French (Jew?), Ashkenazim; Portuguese at ZS222 (between ZS227 and Y18271). YFull identifies basal Rhineland German (Jew?).
    - JewishDNA.net claims (based on STR?) Jews from Turkey, Italy, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt.
    It's not just S12192 that is tied to Kohanim though, but Z18271 as a whole. I'm ZS2432 for instance. The Algerian, Greek (except a handful of non-Jewish Pontians), Lebanese and Yemenite samples are all Kohanim as well.
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    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    It's not just S12192 that is tied to Kohanim though, but Z18271 as a whole. I'm ZS2432 for instance. The Algerian, Greek (except a handful of non-Jewish Pontians), Lebanese and Yemenite samples are all Kohanim as well.
    Thank you - this is what I came for.

    Do you trust the TMRCA of 900 BCE? YFull is already behind on the structure of the branch, so I wouldn't be surprised if timing were off too.

    Do you know if the Iraqi on the tree is Jewish?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hartaisarlag View Post
    Thank you - this is what I came for.

    Do you trust the TMRCA of 900 BCE? YFull is already behind on the structure of the branch, so I wouldn't be surprised if timing were off too.

    Do you know if the Iraqi on the tree is Jewish?
    Though the question isn't directed at me:

    Behar at al. 2017 date Z18271 to ~570 BCE.

    The Iraqi on the tree is Jewish, but not clear whether he has Cohen tradition (Mallick et al 2016).
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    https://sites.google.com/site/levite...ashkenazi-jews

    see other haplogroups on the left side of link


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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    https://sites.google.com/site/levite...ashkenazi-jews

    see other haplogroups on the left side of link
    I'm aware of this resource; for everything besides the R1a-Y2619 stuff, I prefer JewishDNA.net. Wexler was under the impression that most Ashkenazi R1b was Near Eastern, based on a big phylogenetic misinterpretation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hartaisarlag View Post
    Thank you - this is what I came for.

    Do you trust the TMRCA of 900 BCE? YFull is already behind on the structure of the branch, so I wouldn't be surprised if timing were off too.

    Do you know if the Iraqi on the tree is Jewish?
    I know there is one Iraqi who isn't Jewish, while the rest are. IIRC the non-Jewish Iraqi is negative for Z18271, so the Iraqi under ZS2458 is Jewish. The confusing thing is that they all seem to come from Anbar province. I do not know whether this individual has a tradition of priestly descent, I've seen nothing that suggests this so far.

    Also, Z18290/FGC17491 contains at least one Cohen I know of from Lithuania (kit 25947). So its presence in Iberia is almost undoubtedly Jewish, and more to the point Kohanic. This clade is a good example of how Z18271 as a whole is associated with Jewish priesthood.

    Finally, there is at least one Yemenite Muslim in there, namely Al Abdali from Wadi Yahr (kit 476158), this individual is Z18271 (xZS237, xS12192, xZ18290). This is very likely to be of recent Jewish origin as well, interestingly several of the Jewish tribes of Arabia claimed Kohanic descent, the presence of Z18271 gives a lot of weight to this claim. The Banu Qurayza were largely thought to be of Kohanic descent for instance.

    Quote Originally Posted by AbdoNumen View Post
    Though the question isn't directed at me:

    Behar at al. 2017 date Z18271 to ~570 BCE.

    The Iraqi on the tree is Jewish, but not clear whether he has Cohen tradition (Mallick et al 2016).
    I want to add that I agree with Behar et al.'s TMRCA estimate for the time being and expect the estimates on YFull to go down as future results are added to the tree.
    Last edited by Agamemnon; 07-29-2019 at 06:19 PM.
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    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hartaisarlag View Post
    I'm aware of this resource; for everything besides the R1a-Y2619 stuff, I prefer JewishDNA.net. Wexler was under the impression that most Ashkenazi R1b was Near Eastern, based on a big phylogenetic misinterpretation.
    I differ

    for me and my T1a2 branch , there is only 4 samples under CTS8489 ( equal to CTS8862 ) , stating from Galicia Poland ( your link )...........but my link goes one step further, to SNP T-Pages00113 which is found in Galicians, Germans and Kurds

    BTW , I am negative for Pages00113


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    Not sure how widespread it is, but there's one eastern European Ashkenazi Levite lineage (E1b-M84-BY36976 on FTDNA) that share ancestry with Iraqi Arabs from Tikrit-Kirkuk (E-Y83770, TMRCA ~2000 ybp according to Yfull).
    I share a common ancestor with them sometime in the Bronze Age (E-Z21421 or Y18353, ~2300 BCE according to Yfull) -- me being a Jew from the Caucasus, no Cohen or Levite tradition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AbdoNumen View Post
    Not sure how widespread it is, but there's one eastern European Ashkenazi Levite lineage (E1b-M84-BY36976 on FTDNA) that share ancestry with Iraqi Arabs from Tikrit-Kirkuk (E-Y83770, TMRCA ~2000 ybp according to Yfull).
    I share a common ancestor with them sometime in the Bronze Age (E-Z21421 or Y18353, ~2300 BCE according to Yfull) -- me being a Jew from the Caucasus, no Cohen or Levite tradition.
    Penninx only reports one (probably that individual), but it's likely more will eventually turn up.
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