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    Hi

    Apologies in advance as I am sure this question has been asked many times before.
    I am time poor and do not have time to scour through old forum posts for answers, so I really appreciate any help offered.
    I had my fathers Y DNA done through FTDNA 67 markers. He came back as RM269.
    I just donít have time to even attempt to decipher it. Paper wise the earliest we can trace back is to 1800ís Monaghan in Ireland.
    I was wondering if any one knows of a good subclade predictor? I tried looking online but not exactly sure the best place to look.

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    You could plug your father's STR's into NEVGEN's predictor and see what you get.
    YFull: YF72440 (FTDNA - IN41220)

    Ancestral Haplos (Punjabi Jatt):
    * Father: R2-M479 > M124 > V1180 > SK2142 > Y1379 > Y1383 > Y154920* (xZ6135) - M5a1a-G9064A (185G)
    * Maternal Uncle: R1b-M343 > M269 > Z2103 > Z2109 > Y14416 > Y35099 > Y84821 - U7a3a-A9852G > G6150A > C15433T
    * MGMs MGF: R1a-M420 > M198 > Z93 > L657 > Y7 - ?

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    If I had to wager, I'd say you were L21. It is by far the most common subclade of R1b in Ireland.

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    There are two YSNP predictor tools:

    Covers all entire haplotree (but misses around 50 % of testers under R-M269):

    http://www.nevgen.org/

    Be sure to hit the link that looks like pipes in the top left and then select subclades
    of R1b (pretty close to R-M269).

    My tool covers only R-L21 (which is over 50 % of R-L21):

    http://www.rcasey.net/DNA/R-L21_SNP_...tor_Intro.html

    I plan a major update to my L21 Predictor tool:

    1) It will more than double the number haplogroups covered (increases coverage to 60 to 70 %)
    2) Will use two variable prediction model vs. just one variable (increases accuracy from 95 to 99 % accuracy)
    3) Will include a lot of smaller haplogroups over time
    4) I am in the process of building a good database for the new version.
    5) Will include larger newly discovered predictable haplogroups over the last three or four years.

    Here is a YouTube video that I created to show how YSNP prediction works and shows you how to
    create your own "empirical" YSNP prediction model for smaller haplogroups not covered in the tools:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD1HHb0Cwfs
    Last edited by RobertCasey; 07-30-2019 at 03:54 PM.

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    The previous replies are all good, but another simple thing to do is to look at your dad's closest matches on his myFTDNA Y-DNA Matches page. The 6th column on the right is labeled "Terminal SNP". If there is an entry in that column it indicates that particular match has been SNP tested and is actually derived (positive) for that SNP.

    Take a look and see what terminal SNPs your dad's closest matches have, especially if he has any really close matches, like within a genetic distance of five or less.

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    I had a look on FTDNA, he has a few Terminal SNPs at a genetic distance of 2 for 25 markers

    which include-

    1 x FGC17938
    1 x A933
    2 x BY56421
    1 x BY190142
    1 x A410
    1 x Z18
    1 x P25
    1 x Z253

    I will give Nevgen and Robert's predictor a go too and see what results I get there.
    Otherwise I am thinking of maybe doing some more testing as they have started a sale until the end of August.

    Thanks for all the suggestions I do appreciate it.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by VNess View Post
    I had a look on FTDNA, he has a few Terminal SNPs at a genetic distance of 2 for 25 markers

    which include-

    1 x FGC17938
    1 x A933
    2 x BY56421
    1 x BY190142
    1 x A410
    1 x Z18
    1 x P25
    1 x Z253

    I will give Nevgen and Robert's predictor a go too and see what results I get there.
    Otherwise I am thinking of maybe doing some more testing as they have started a sale until the end of August.

    Thanks for all the suggestions I do appreciate it.

    Cheers
    I don't believe that SNP testing is part of the August offer, unfortunately. As far as Y-DNA goes, it's either upgrading to Y111 or Big Y-700.

    Also, P25 is an unreliable mutation (prone to reversal) so should be ignored.
    YFull: YF72440 (FTDNA - IN41220)

    Ancestral Haplos (Punjabi Jatt):
    * Father: R2-M479 > M124 > V1180 > SK2142 > Y1379 > Y1383 > Y154920* (xZ6135) - M5a1a-G9064A (185G)
    * Maternal Uncle: R1b-M343 > M269 > Z2103 > Z2109 > Y14416 > Y35099 > Y84821 - U7a3a-A9852G > G6150A > C15433T
    * MGMs MGF: R1a-M420 > M198 > Z93 > L657 > Y7 - ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VNess View Post
    I had a look on FTDNA, he has a few Terminal SNPs at a genetic distance of 2 for 25 markers

    which include-

    1 x FGC17938
    1 x A933
    2 x BY56421
    1 x BY190142
    1 x A410
    1 x Z18
    1 x P25
    1 x Z253

    I will give Nevgen and Robert's predictor a go too and see what results I get there.
    Otherwise I am thinking of maybe doing some more testing as they have started a sale until the end of August.

    Thanks for all the suggestions I do appreciate it.

    Cheers
    You mentioned that he has 67 markers. Any that level?

    25 markers aren't enough to really be able to say much.

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    He does have 1 match at 67 markers but they are a genetic distance of 7 and there is nothing in Terminal SNP, they too have only tested for 67 markers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VNess View Post
    He does have 1 match at 67 markers but they are a genetic distance of 7 and there is nothing in Terminal SNP, they too have only tested for 67 markers.
    Thanks. I believe FTDNA has an R-M269 SNP Pack that is much cheaper than the Big Y, if you want to know your dad's y haplogroup but you don't want to spend the money on the Big Y.

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