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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    So both of these Somaliland individuals are Warsengali.The Warsengali for some reason are the most diverse Somali subclan I have ever seen lol.
    E-Y163928 is the most likely legitimate lineage of the Warsangeli clan. A member of the Warsangeli Royal sub-clan belongs to this clade.

    Some are also J-Y178103.

    The above two are the only two serious candidates for this clan.

    T1a, R1a, R1b, and E-M293 ''Warsangelis'' are simply not Warsangeli. The T1 carriers come from Isaaqs, the R1 ones from South Asian traders, and this E-M293 case can be explained away by non-paternity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetNomad View Post
    E-Y163928 is the most likely legitimate lineage of the Warsangeli clan. A member of the Warsangeli Royal sub-clan belongs to this clade.

    Some are also J-Y178103.

    The above two are the only two serious candidates for this clan.

    T1a, R1a, R1b, and E-M293 ''Warsangelis'' are simply not Warsangeli. The T1 carriers come from Isaaqs, the R1 ones from South Asian traders, and this E-M293 case can be explained away by non-paternity.
    Isn't the J1 from recent Mehri individuals that arrived in Sanaag and Puntland? Why would J1 be a serious Warsengali lineage when it's an obviously foreign lineage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Isn't the J1 from recent Mehri individuals that arrived in Sanaag and Puntland? Why would J1 be a serious Warsengali lineage when it's an obviously foreign lineage?

    I take that one a bit more seriously as it also showed up in a Dhulbahante, an Ogadeni, and even a Majeerteen. Also, there's the Al-Jabarti mythology you have to take into account. More research is needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetNomad View Post
    E-Y163928 is the most likely legitimate lineage of the Warsangeli clan. A member of the Warsangeli Royal sub-clan belongs to this clade.

    Some are also J-Y178103.

    The above two are the only two serious candidates for this clan.

    T1a, R1a, R1b, and E-M293 ''Warsangelis'' are simply not Warsangeli. The T1 carriers come from Isaaqs, the R1 ones from South Asian traders, and this E-M293 case can be explained away by non-paternity.
    Is J2 present at all among Somalis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Is J2 present at all among Somalis?
    Not really and considering our autosomal genetic makeup, it makes sense why we don't

    Target: Mother_scaled
    Distance: 5.4903% / 0.05490334
    50.8 Dinka
    35.8 Levant_Natufian
    9.0 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    4.0 ETH_4500BP
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    Target: Drobbah_scaled
    Distance: 5.1638% / 0.05163817
    44.8 Dinka
    36.0 Levant_Natufian
    11.6 ETH_4500BP
    6.2 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    1.4 MAR_EN

    Target: Father_scaled
    Distance: 5.5604% / 0.05560439
    48.0 Dinka
    42.0 Levant_Natufian
    8.6 ETH_4500BP
    1.0 MAR_EN
    0.4 Yemenite_Al_Jawf


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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Not really and considering our autosomal genetic makeup, it makes sense why we don't
    Alrighty then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetNomad View Post
    He is confusing it for E-M5021 which he now has on 23andMe and saw some other Somalis have. This is some standard erroneous classification 23andMe sometimes gives. There are no Warsangelis with E-M293 besides him. I'm from that region and I am connected to almost all of them on 23andMe. However, I am not related to this guy, which seems shady.

    The most likely explanation for his E-M293 is that is most likely a Hawadle paternally who share ties with the Degodia.
    I think only him can answer that question about the other Warsangeli with E-M293. He know majority of Warsengeli are E-V32, with some T and J. The guy seems to know about dna stuffs. You can engage him (on reddit link guys posted above)to ask the other Warsangeli to try Morley(if he hasn't already done it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfa View Post
    I think only him can answer that question about the other Warsangeli with E-M293. He know majority of Warsengeli are E-V32, with some T and J. The guy seems to know about dna stuffs. You can engage him (on reddit link guys posted above)to ask the other Warsangeli to try Morley(if he hasn't already done it).
    Somalis are really patriarchal. Especially North and Central Somalis. That's why the above is quite shocking to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetNomad View Post
    Somalis are really patriarchal. Especially North and Central Somalis. That's why the above is quite shocking to me.
    I understand. Hopefully, ancient dna in the horn will reveal new suprises.

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    Do you think some somali bantu have ethnic somali admixture? And does some rahanweyn subclans have niger-congo admixture,

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