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    Question Are Hungarians descended from local Scythians?

    Check this Hungarian Scythian sample, pretty close to modern Hungarians:

    GEDmatch Kit Number: HR6053540
    Name: DA191 Hungary Scythian 550 BC



    I will upload more Hungarian Scythians for comparison.

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    More Hungarian Scythians:

    DA194 Hungary Scythian - kit number GB8615749
    DA195 Hungary Scythian - kit number GN2826307
    DA197 Hungary Scythian - kit number UM3393611
    DA198 Hungary Scythian - kit number SK9891773
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    It is very difficult to find out what really "Hungarian local Scythian" meant - historically, ethnically, linguistically. Genetical continuum is there for sure, but not only between modern Hungarian (or similar central European) populations and Scythians but all "Pannonian Plain" populations.
    We have similar problems to find our WHO really the DNA samples from SZOLAD in Balaton (Plattensee) for example (Avars, Longobards, Slavs...) were? Or is it clear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Check this Hungarian Scythian sample, pretty close to modern Hungarians:

    GEDmatch Kit Number: HR6053540
    Name: DA191 Hungary Scythian 550 BC



    I will upload more Hungarian Scythians for comparison.

    Edit:

    More Hungarian Scythians:

    DA194 Hungary Scythian - kit number GB8615749
    DA195 Hungary Scythian - kit number GN2826307
    DA197 Hungary Scythian - kit number UM3393611
    DA198 Hungary Scythian - kit number SK9891773

    Take a farmer, slap something Slavic on top and you'll arrive at about the same admixture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Check this Hungarian Scythian sample, pretty close to modern Hungarians:

    GEDmatch Kit Number: HR6053540
    Name: DA191 Hungary Scythian 550 BC



    I will upload more Hungarian Scythians for comparison.

    Edit:

    More Hungarian Scythians:

    DA194 Hungary Scythian - kit number GB8615749
    DA195 Hungary Scythian - kit number GN2826307
    DA197 Hungary Scythian - kit number UM3393611
    DA198 Hungary Scythian - kit number SK9891773
    Genetically Hungarians are just part of the local Central-Euro continuum. Depending on the subregion they are closer to Austrians, Slovaks or Romanians. Scythian admixture is irrelevant here just like it is for the rest of Central and East Europe (only Udmurts and some Volga people may have significant direct scythian admixture)

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    Quote Originally Posted by martinmkp View Post
    It is very difficult to find out what really "Hungarian local Scythian" meant - historically, ethnically, linguistically. Genetical continuum is there for sure, but not only between modern Hungarian (or similar central European) populations and Scythians but all "Pannonian Plain" populations.
    We have similar problems to find our WHO really the DNA samples from SZOLAD in Balaton (Plattensee) for example (Avars, Longobards, Slavs...) were? Or is it clear?
    Modern Hungarians are mainly of Slavic-Germanic origin. Local Pannonian ancestry is much lower. Pre Germanic and Slavic Pannonians were much more EEF and southern shifted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martinmkp View Post
    It is very difficult to find out what really "Hungarian local Scythian" meant - historically, ethnically, linguistically. Genetical continuum is there for sure, but not only between modern Hungarian (or similar central European) populations and Scythians but all "Pannonian Plain" populations.
    We have similar problems to find our WHO really the DNA samples from SZOLAD in Balaton (Plattensee) for example (Avars, Longobards, Slavs...) were? Or is it clear?
    If I recall correctly several of the Szolad samples were Longobards while a few others were considered Avar however they Avar individuals did not show any recent Asian admixture and were likely of Slavic origins. There were some individuals with potential pre-Slavic Aegean (Roman-era Greek) ancestry as well.

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    It combines Romanians and Hungarians with the slight Asiatic component of course being the predominant European (Slavic, Celto-Germanic) sub-population of Romanians still Dacians and Greco-Romans but it was steppe areas and these peoples were there (Scythians ..) and the Hungarian language is also from the Ural area (fino-Urgian) there is an easy connection to these peoples. The Balkan Calc. With Scythians is also predominantly southeast European
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    I don't have the reference at hand, but from memory: did Hungarian raiders of the early 10th century (largely prior to 955) not capture and bring back a substantial quantity of "booty populations" so to speak, from the various localities they lambasted? Added to what they found in situ in Pannonia (mostly but not exclusively Slavs) and what may have immigrated from "friendly areas" just north of the Carpathians. Putting it all together, this is surely a large part of the explanation for today's genetic profile of the Hungarian population.

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    For example, IA Hungary has a sighlty Central Asian component such as Hallstatt Bylany D112 from either Scythian or Cimmerian
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