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    HarappaWorld averages by state in India (S Indian, W Eurasian, and E Eurasian)

    These are averages of Indian MIDDLE castes from each state or the group average based on harappa. For some states I used certain users' averages (Chattisgarh, Orissa, Jharkhand - Arlus), Assam(Jortita). Maharashtra and Madhya Pradesh (estimated between Gujarat and Karnataka but slightly closer to gujarat), Himachal and Uttarakhand (used uttaranchal brahmin), used jatts for haryana since they're the largest caste in haryana (33% of the state), etc.

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    Kashmir = Kashmiri avg (harappa)
    Punjab = Jatt sikhs
    Himachal = Kenji
    Uttarakhand = Uttaranchal brahmin (harappa)
    Rajasthan = rajasthani
    Gujarat = gujarati
    UP = kshatriya
    Kerala = nairs
    bengal = bengali
    bihar = bihari
    assam = jortita
    sikkim = bhutia sample
    arunachal pradesh = nysha
    mizoram, manipur, tripura = burmanese
    meghalaya = khasi
    Orissa, Chattisgarh, Jharkhand = Arlus (only brahmin samples present on harappa dataset)


    SOUTH INDIAN


    WEST EURASIAN (Baloch, Caucasian, NE Euro, Mediterranean, SW Asian)


    EAST EURASIAN (NE/SE Asian, Siberian, Beringian, American, Papuan)
    Last edited by kush; 08-08-2019 at 08:16 AM.

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    Nice! This is very helpful
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    I would rename east Eurasian as east Asian, because technically AASI is also east Eurasian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Censored View Post
    I would rename east Eurasian as east Asian, because technically AASI is also east Eurasian.
    nah cause papuan, siberian, beringian, and american wouldnt fit in with east asian label.. I think east eurasian is fine cause South indian on harappa isnt pure east eurasian anyways

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    Quote Originally Posted by kush View Post
    nah cause papuan, siberian, beringian, and american wouldnt fit in with east asian label.. I think east eurasian is fine cause South indian on harappa isnt pure east eurasian anyways
    oh right, forgot.

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    I know its tedious lol, but I think a component by component basis map would be more helpful, rather than these broad terms like W & E Eurasian. The South Indian map works though. Great job regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulin View Post
    I know its tedious lol, but I think a component by component basis map would be more helpful, rather than these broad terms like W & E Eurasian. The South Indian map works though. Great job regardless.
    Thanks.

    Glad you brought it up lol. I was thinking its too general as well. I'll do all the major components like baloch, euro, caucasian, ne asian, siberian, and se asian. Rest of the components are noise levels and are randomly distributed without any cline. I'll post those maps as well in a bit.

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    Do you mind listing the actual mid-caste groups used as the average for each state? I'm curious how you got the averages for Punjab, Himachal and Kashmir? At first glance, for Punjab, it seems you just took Zack's Harappa average for Punjabis (which is a mix of random Pakistani and Indian Punjabis with religion and biradaris not disclosed). As for Himachal, we have seen the results of kenji who is Himachali Brahmin but I don't believe I've seen many other Himachali results.

    Also, it's worth noting that Jatt Sikhs are the most populous Indian Punjabi biradari group outside of the combined dalit (Mazhabi/Valmiki) and Chamars groups. For Kashmir, we don't have the Harappa breakdowns for the academic Muslim Kashmiris (hopefully khana can do these eventually when he gets time) so I'm presuming you used the Harappa average of 2 Muslim Kashmiris and HRP0333 (Kashmiri Pandit). I should note that the member bored has noted previously that one of the Muslim Kashmiris is apparently half Dogri Muslim from Jammu. I've never spoken to the Harappa participant in question though.

    Personally, I think it would be more interesting to see an nMonte global 25 elemental breakdown for a few of the main groups in each state but this is still an interesting breakdown nonetheless.
    Last edited by Sapporo; 08-08-2019 at 04:17 AM.
    pegasus modeling:

    sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.1506,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 43.33,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 31.67,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
    "closestDistances": [

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapporo View Post
    Do you mind listing the actual mid-caste groups used as the average for each state? I'm curious how you got the averages for Punjab, Himachal and Kashmir? At first glance, for Punjab, it seems you just took Zack's Harappa average for Punjabis (which is a mix of random Pakistani and Indian Punjabis with religion and biradaris not disclosed). As for Himachal, we have seen the results of kenji who is Himachali Brahmin but I don't believe I've seen any many other Himachali results.

    Also, it's worth noting that Jatt Sikhs are the most populous Indian Punjabi biradari group outside of the combined dalit (Mazhabi/Valmiki) and Chamars groups. For Kashmir, we don't have the Harappa breakdowns for the academic Muslim Kashmiris (hopefully khana can do these eventually when he gets time) so I'm presuming you used the Harappa average of 2 Muslim Kashmiris and HRP0333 (Kashmiri Pandit). I should note that the member bored has noted previously that one of the Muslim Kashmiris is apparently half Dogri Muslim from Jammu. I've never spoken to the Harappa participant in question though.

    Personally, I think it would be more interesting to see an nMonte global 25 elemental breakdown for a few of the main groups in each state.
    Kashmir - Kashmiri (3 samples harappa avg)
    punjab - punjabi (13 samples harappa)
    himachal and uttarakhand (estimated it through Uttaranchal brahmin sample on harappa).
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    Uttarkhand looks like it is more East Asian than a Northeastern State (Manipur?). What are some groups representing Uttarkhand?

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