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    What is the “meaning” of these different subgroups?

    So, with great help from Robert Casey I’ve established that my Haplogroup (at the very mninimum) will be R1B-BY651 or R1B-BY207.

    I have looked online to see if I could find anything about these subgroups or subgroups downstream of them, but there is nothing.

    Is there a way for me to find this information? I had initially been interested in getting a Terminal Haplogroup, but if it is just going to be a list of numbers with little information perhaps that’ll be a waste of my time and money?

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    The information is in the SNP matches, tree positioning and TMRCA estimations. The SNP names themselves don't mean much.

    For example I have some somewhat distant STR matches with a certain family yet our Big Y results show we aren't related for at least 1,850 years or so, and my closest Big Y matches are not related for at least the same timeframe (and my closest matches are downstream of my position). SNPs are more reliable in determining relationships and really figuring out where certain lineages fit.

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    I want to know the geographical origin and the historic inference of each subgroup also though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nqp15hhu View Post
    I want to know the geographical origin and the historic inference of each subgroup also though.
    That can be estimated (educated guess, really) via formed and TMRCA dates (that you see over at YFull), and geographical information is only as reliable as the self-reported ancestry reported by the kit holders.

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    So what is the point in establishing a Terminal Haplogroup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nqp15hhu View Post
    So what is the point in establishing a Terminal Haplogroup?
    It can help figure out where you "fit in" so to speak, in both surname projects, the human Y-tree and so on.

    For example, I have a match to some Danish people with a similar surname to my own and at first I thought this was evidence of some sort of relationship, turns out through Big Y, our match is genealogically irrelevant and we aren't related for a few thousand years, and our similar surnames are just coincidental.

    Here is a sort of comprehensive genealogical approach using both STRs and SNPs: http://www.jmhartley.com/HBlog/categ...a/frazer-ydna/ if you scroll far enough you may notice unique changes and mutations within a family that help differentiate two lineages within the same family (descendants of brothers, having slight mutations), the author labels these specific lines "Archibald" and "James" lines.

    Another similar approach from the same blog: http://www.jmhartley.com/HBlog/categ...a-hartley-dna/
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    Have you looked at those haplogroups at the BigTree? That's often a good place to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msmarjoribanks View Post
    Have you looked at those haplogroups at the BigTree? That's often a good place to start.
    I have yes. Although I only see names. No origin.

    Maybe Highlands looking at this: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L513?iframe=yresults

    Although that is quite unexpected for someone from Northern Ireland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nqp15hhu View Post
    I have yes. Although I only see names. No origin.

    Maybe Highlands looking at this: https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

    Although that is quite unexpected for someone from Northern Ireland.
    I looked at the 2 haplogroups you mentioned and saw locations -- primarily Scotland.

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