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    Quote Originally Posted by asm View Post
    Salam Farrux,

    Then what does it mean?Are they Turcomans with Arabic origin in reality?
    Asm, Sayyids are people who decend from prophet Muhammed and his cousins etc. in islamic world. Despite most of them are fake sayyids some of them are real and descend from Islamic saints by patrilineal line. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid
    For example, Y DNA studies have been carried out among Indian Muslim people who self identified as a sayyid and it has been revealed that most of those people have haplogroups and subclades which have been prominent in subcontinent 3000-4000 YBP.

    And in fact you can be called Sayyid even if you do not decend from prophet and his cousins but yet you have non-patrilineal relation to the arabic saints. So theoritically we may reveal Q-M242, N, J2, C, R if we analise Nasimi`s DNA even if he was real sayyid matrilineally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilgar View Post
    Asm, Sayyids are people who decend from prophet Muhammed and his cousins etc. in islamic world. Despite most of them are fake sayyids some of them are real and descend from Islamic saints by patrilineal line. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid
    For example, Y DNA studies have been carried out among Indian Muslim people who self identified as a sayyid and it has been revealed that most of those people have haplogroups and subclades which have been prominent in subcontinent 3000-4000 YBP.

    And in fact you can be called Sayyid even if you do not decend from prophet and his cousins but yet you have non-patrilineal relation to the arabic saints. So theoritically we may reveal Q-M242, N, J2, C, R if we analise Nasimi`s DNA even if he was real sayyid matrilineally.
    I know.

    If I'm not wrong this title can pass through mother too (not like Cohen in Jews).In this case,it's hard to determine this genetically.
    Last edited by asm; 09-02-2019 at 02:15 AM.

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    Sayyids (Sids) was actually a title given by Muslim rulers to prominent Jews in Andalus, and possibly in other locations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rzak View Post
    Sayyids (Sids) was actually a title given by Muslim rulers to prominent Jews in Andalus, and possibly in other locations.
    Interesting claim.Where did you get this information?
    Last edited by asm; 09-03-2019 at 08:42 PM.

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    So I got new 111 Str values today but remaining Big Y and autosomal results are pending still.
    And the one match that I had , he is still match to me at 67 markers but not at 111, does it mean we are related?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilgar View Post
    So I got new 111 Str values today but remaining Big Y and autosomal results are pending still.
    And the one match that I had , he is still match to me at 67 markers but not at 111, does it mean we are related?

    Screenshot_20190908-162301_Opera.jpg
    It can mean that he either has not tested 111 markers, or that your relation is more distant
    Of all the countries, this is possibly the most beautiful. All that is beautiful and can be rarely seen in
    other countries can be seen everywhere here... Here live the people who wear the cleanest clothes and prepare the
    most flavorful dishes... Of all of Godís servants, the local people are the most compassionate and merciful...

    Ibn Battuta about Asia Minor 1333CE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afshar View Post
    It can mean that he either has not tested 111 markers, or that your relation is more distant
    He has been tested for 111 markers.

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