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    Do you know which tribe you are from? Might be helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilgar View Post
    And one more question gents, should I have same exact haplogroup and markers with someone to descend from same ancestor before 500-1000 years?
    On 37 markers for 500 years you could have exact match, even I doubt. For 1000 years definitely not. It's just matter of variability for some STRs in particular branch what difference it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilgar View Post
    I always though that I would be Q-M242 or somewhat N or R1a/R1b but life is full of surprises as you see
    Well I had the same feeling when I get test result J1 is not very frequent in Serbian people from ex-Yugoslavia. Before test I also thought about some of constitutional haplogroups of Serbian people like I2a1b, R1a or E1b. Because of some old people tales I believe that I will be E1b. So I can imagine your surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afshar View Post
    Do you know which tribe you are from? Might be helpful.
    Yox qardaş bilmirəm. Bildiyim odurki İrəvan şəhərindənik.
    I know that my grandfather from 7th gen was Turcoman. Though I ordered some research work to investigate my roots in national archive after getting J1 P58

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    J1 is a fantastic haplogroup full of ethnic diversity just like all other major haplogroups.
    J1 FGC5987 to FGC6175 (188 new SNPs)
    MDKAs before Colonial Brazil
    Y-DNA - Milhazes, Barcelos, Minho, Portugal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    J1 is a fantastic haplogroup full of ethnic diversity just like all other major haplogroups.
    Yeah, unless we all descend from middle ages arabic merchants/warriors

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    We can observe J1 YFull tree and FTDNA SNP blocks and we can generally observe J1 ethnohistorical groups and clusters pretty well organized and defined in different regions, languages, religions, ethnicites, nationalities and frontiers in the last 15000 years !
    J1 FGC5987 to FGC6175 (188 new SNPs)
    MDKAs before Colonial Brazil
    Y-DNA - Milhazes, Barcelos, Minho, Portugal.
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    Xoş galmişsiniz qardaşam!

    Y-DNA J1 appears to have some antiquity in the Caucasus region, based on Wang et al. 2019, where it was found in at least one of the Bronze Age samples from one of the Maykop settlements. Further, at least one J1 was found in an Alan remain from the North Caucasus in 2017-2018. Both of these timepoints clearly precede the Medieval period.

    J1 was also the subclade of the Qajar dynasty. Whether J1 was representative of the Qajar tribe itself (and not merely the Qoyunlu's) is an open question. Given the location of your ancestor, I'd posit that your line could be shared with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMXX View Post
    Xoş galmişsiniz qardaşam!

    Y-DNA J1 appears to have some antiquity in the Caucasus region, based on Wang et al. 2019, where it was found in at least one of the Bronze Age samples from one of the Maykop settlements. Further, at least one J1 was found in an Alan remain from the North Caucasus in 2017-2018. Both of these timepoints clearly precede the Medieval period.

    J1 was also the subclade of the Qajar dynasty. Whether J1 was representative of the Qajar tribe itself (and not merely the Qoyunlu's) is an open question. Given the location of your ancestor, I'd posit that your line could be shared with them.
    Təşəkkürlər qardaş!

    Well, obviously Qajars have different cluster than mine, they belong to J1- Z1842 which is prominent in Caucasia but not J1 P58. Though I'll try to figure out my tribe during 1-2 month intensive archive reseaech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilgar View Post
    I always though that I would be Q-M242 or somewhat N or R1a/R1b but life is full of surprises as you see
    Congratulations on your result! When it came to testing my maternal grandfather's line I thought it would belong to YDNA E, then I thought maybe G. Then when it came time to test, I thought I really have no idea...and the line ended up belonging to J1 too. My budget only allowed me to order the SNP Pack to further test, and my cousin is J-ZS1711. I had initially tested just the 37 markers. He has no matches there, you are his match on the 12 at GD of 1. On 37 markers you are a GD of 10. On the Y Full tree there is a man from Saudi Arabia who is J-ZS1711*. Others that were once listed there as ZS1711 moved downstream to the J-ZS1706 SNP, but my cousin is negative for that one.

    I have been able to find a man with an Italian surname who is J-ZS1711, but he has origin listed as unknown. My maternal grandfather's family are Albanian Italians. Anyway that other J-ZS1711 is GD of 13 on the 37 marker! I don't care too much for STRs, SNP testing is the way to go. I suppose once we start comparing 700 STRs to SNPs they might make more sense. I saw it in the Jewish Q1b branch that you couldn't rely on the STRs to really determine which specific SNP you would be as there was lots of convergence.

    Can't wait to hear how your Big Y results turn out. It would be cool if your are J-ZS1711 too.
    Maternal Grandfather's Y Line: J-ZS1711
    Maternal Grandfather's mtDNA: K2b1
    Paternal Grandmother’s mtDNA: U5a1

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