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    Identifying psychopaths/sociopaths

    Inspired by Kulin's thread about borderline people.

    I feel it's possible I may have encountered one or two socio/psycopaths in the past but it was pretty obvious what they were from the start, even though I should've been more careful. But from what I've read online, in most cases by the time you realize you're dealing with one it's already too late. So in your experience, what are early warning signs, things to look out for, etc.

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    The Hare Checklist provides a good summary of symptoms:

    http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv...Checklist.html

    Sam Vaknin is a self-confessed narcissist who has been evaluated as psychopathic rather than narcissistic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Vaknin

    He is considered by some to be an expert on NPD: http://samvak.tripod.com/

    Here he is in the 2009 documentary "I, Psychopath": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKvhKI6Kxew

    And again in 2016 in "How Narcissists Took Over the World": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGO2U1thFAk

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    I 'heard somewhere something like this', take it with a grain of salt obviously.
    Failure to reciprocate yawning (easy test with any length of contact) > no mirror neurons > no empathy > helps not to have if your a socio/psychopath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kale View Post
    I 'heard somewhere something like this', take it with a grain of salt obviously.
    Failure to reciprocate yawning (easy test with any length of contact) > no mirror neurons > no empathy > helps not to have if your a socio/psychopath.
    Can’t that also be a sign of ASD though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kale View Post
    I 'heard somewhere something like this', take it with a grain of salt obviously.
    Failure to reciprocate yawning (easy test with any length of contact) > no mirror neurons > no empathy > helps not to have if your a socio/psychopath.
    Re yawning: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...agious-yawning

    I have experienced my dog catching my yawns. I considered it a co-incidence. Maybe it isn't.

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    I'd assume it's more complex. Different types of mirror neurons corresponding to different areas of the brain and whatnot. Not to mention different factors unique to socio/psychopathy and ASD.
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    ASD involves lack of cognitive empathy , not affective empathy. ASD has nothing to do with psychopathy/sociopathy .
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    Today, "Mirror Neurons" are generally found under headings of "myths" and "debunked scientific follies". See for example http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/20...ht-new-cracks/ "Finally, the theory that mirror neuron defects might underlie autism—the “broken mirror” hypothesis—has proven most dubious of all. An exhaustive recent review of 25 different studies presents a wide array of behavioral and neurological evidence that deficient mirror neurons probably do not lie at the core of autism." and https://digest.bps.org.uk/2019/03/25...meta-analysis/ "Nearly 20 years on, what evidence do we have that mirror neurons provide the basis for human empathy? According to a new meta-analysis and systematic review released as a preprint at PsyArXiv, the short answer is “not a lot”." Of course, that doesn't stop people from researching.

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    This might interest some of you.

    The expression of many genes that have previously been associated with autism is abnormal also in violent psychopathy, a new study shows.
    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...udy-shows.aspx
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