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Thread: Northern Mediterranean-focused Global 25-based Vahaduo analysis

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    Northern Mediterranean-focused Global 25-based Vahaduo analysis

    Here is a good genetic modeling for the Northern Mediterranean ancient and modern populations using the main Neolithic era ancestral streams:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...kkE/edit#gid=0

    Some notes: I have not included the low res ancient samples. Also I have not included any sample from before the Neolithic era among the target populations. I have split the "TUR Ottoman" sample into two given the very different genetic results of the two individuals constituting it, they are not radiocarbon-dated, so they may instead be from the earlier Seljuk era, especially the one with the higher East Eurasian ancestry (RUS Devils Gate Cave N). The ancient samples with a lowercase "o" next to their label are outliers. I have included the medieval and modern samples from Germany just as examples of typical results from north of the Alps from the last few millennia.

    The scaled coordinates of the source populations for those who want to do the same analysis on themselves or others:

    GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
    IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
    Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
    MAR_EN,-0.1735805,0.0919055,-0.0258325,-0.083657,0.0283125,-0.0596825,-0.079316,0.021461,0.1500185,0.0043735,0.0222475,-0.0264515,0.075148,-0.0461725,0.069353,-0.03381,0.0171455,-0.05549,-0.1487635,0.0340785,-0.038245,-0.118212,0.0826995,-0.009941,0.021615
    RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0162197,-0.4440402,0.0722185,-0.0511148,-0.0373912,-0.0395328,0.0034075,0.0084802,0.0064935,0.019408,-0.048595,-0.004833,-0.0030848,0.0086702,-0.0096025,-0.0133915,-0.0007825,0.0089,0.0174408,0.0100362,0.008828,-0.027729,-0.0174702,-0.00244,-0.0145795
    TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
    TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
    WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
    Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537

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    Last edited by Onur Dincer; 06-07-2020 at 05:27 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnetic View Post
    give koordinetes pleze
    The coordinates are found in the Global 25 scaled population spreadsheets, I did not save them. But if you want to do the same analysis on yourself, here are the scaled coordinates of the source populations:

    GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
    IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
    Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
    MAR_EN,-0.1735805,0.0919055,-0.0258325,-0.083657,0.0283125,-0.0596825,-0.079316,0.021461,0.1500185,0.0043735,0.0222475,-0.0264515,0.075148,-0.0461725,0.069353,-0.03381,0.0171455,-0.05549,-0.1487635,0.0340785,-0.038245,-0.118212,0.0826995,-0.009941,0.021615
    RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0162197,-0.4440402,0.0722185,-0.0511148,-0.0373912,-0.0395328,0.0034075,0.0084802,0.0064935,0.019408,-0.048595,-0.004833,-0.0030848,0.0086702,-0.0096025,-0.0133915,-0.0007825,0.0089,0.0174408,0.0100362,0.008828,-0.027729,-0.0174702,-0.00244,-0.0145795
    TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
    TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
    WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
    Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
    Last edited by Onur Dincer; 06-07-2020 at 05:25 PM.
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    I used the averages for those samples:

    Mine
    Distance: 3.1701% / 0.03170148
    42.4 TUR_Barcin_N
    31.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    22.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    4.6 WHG

    Albanian average
    Distance: 2.3822% / 0.02382156
    36.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    35.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    25.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    2.2 WHG
    0.6 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
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    Distance: 3.2802% / 0.03280190

    38.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    32.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    14.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    10.2 Levant_PPNB
    2.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
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    Here is an Iran-focused version of the same analysis, but with the Paniya added to the source populations to represent deep South Asian ancestry:

    Target Distance GEO_CHG IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N Levant_PPNB MAR_EN Paniya RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N TUR_Barcin_N TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N WHG Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic 0.04035122 7.8 29.8 10.0 0.0 0.0 1.2 0.0 32.6 0.0 18.6
    IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N 0.00000000 0.0 100.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
    IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA 0.02250521 9.2 7.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 28.0 0.0 55.0
    IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C 0.02659445 16.6 30.8 13.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 38.8 0.0 0.0
    IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA 0.03762708 8.0 37.6 8.6 0.0 0.0 0.2 0.0 32.0 0.0 13.6
    IRN_Hasanlu_IA 0.03080605 9.2 34.2 16.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 3.2 24.0 0.0 12.6
    IRN_Seh_Gabi_C 0.03001419 12.2 48.4 12.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 27.4 0.0 0.0
    IRN_Seh_Gabi_LN 0.02879944 0.0 88.0 12.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
    IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1 0.02885838 9.0 69.0 0.0 0.0 7.6 0.0 4.0 0.6 0.0 9.8
    IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 0.04810161 0.0 46.8 0.0 0.0 48.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 5.0
    IRN_Tepe_Abdul_Hosein_N 0.01101819 0.0 98.8 0.6 0.6 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
    IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C 0.02486967 12.2 67.4 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 17.8 0.0 2.6
    IRN_Wezmeh_N 0.02890830 0.0 94.2 5.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
    Azeri 0.02228385 10.6 25.4 10.6 0.0 0.0 5.6 0.0 33.8 0.0 14.0
    Iranian_Bandari 0.01793707 0.0 45.6 3.4 3.6 10.0 0.0 0.0 21.2 0.0 16.2
    Iranian_Fars 0.02119511 4.8 34.8 11.0 0.0 1.8 2.2 0.0 28.0 0.0 17.4
    Iranian_Lor 0.02126055 5.2 37.2 11.6 0.0 0.0 1.6 0.0 31.8 0.0 12.6
    Iranian_Mazandarani 0.02667772 8.0 42.0 1.8 0.0 1.6 0.4 0.0 33.0 0.0 13.2
    Iranian_Seyyed 0.01873972 5.2 35.4 18.6 0.0 2.6 2.4 0.0 19.4 0.0 16.4
    Iranian_Zoroastrian 0.02148274 3.6 35.4 11.0 0.0 1.2 0.2 0.0 28.6 0.0 20.0
    Kurdish 0.02221589 8.6 32.0 11.2 0.0 0.0 0.6 0.0 33.6 0.0 14.0

    The scaled coordinates for the Paniya:

    Paniya,0.0085637,-0.1650478,-0.1863694,0.1380143,-0.048683,0.0526173,-0.0055841,0.0167904,0.0864746,0.0548009,0.0048639, 0.0002854,-0.0030087,0.0140964,-0.0226783,-0.0274207,0.0106108,-0.0005973,-0.0033041,0.0280373,0.0073857,0.0130011,-0.0094138,0.0062888,-0.0075499

    Let me make a clarification. I have added the Paniya population for certain populations that require a South Asian ancestral population. Not all the Iran-related target populations require it. For instance, among modern groups, Azeris, Kurds and Lors do not have any of it.
    Last edited by Onur Dincer; 06-07-2020 at 06:12 PM.
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    Father's mtDNA: T2b; Nigde, Turkey
    Paternal grandfather's mtDNA: H2a1; Nigde, Turkey
    Maternal grandfather's mtDNA: H5o; Razgrad, Bulgaria
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    Target: dosas_scaled
    Distance: 2.6662% / 0.02666164
    50.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
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    10.8 GEO_CHG
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    5.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
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    Target: kid1_scaled
    Distance: 2.4453% / 0.02445268
    43.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    36.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    16.6 TUR_Barcin_N
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    Target: kid2_scaled
    Distance: 2.4278% / 0.02427786
    43.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
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    16.6 TUR_Barcin_N
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    Target: wife_scaled
    Distance: 4.0532% / 0.04053162
    48.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    37.4 TUR_Barcin_N
    14.6 WHG

    Target: dad_scaled
    Distance: 5.0201% / 0.05020079
    36.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    32.2 TUR_Barcin_N
    26.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    3.8 WHG
    1.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
    0.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: grandma_scaled
    Distance: 2.9632% / 0.02963217
    45.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    23.0 GEO_CHG
    17.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    11.6 TUR_Barcin_N
    1.8 Levant_PPNB
    1.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

    Target: mom_scaled
    Distance: 2.8007% / 0.02800679
    49.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    26.8 GEO_CHG
    14.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    6.6 TUR_Barcin_N
    1.0 Levant_PPNB
    1.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
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    Target: 23abc_scaled
    Distance: 3.1236% / 0.03123589
    68.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    19.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    10.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.2 Levant_PPNB
    0.8 GEO_CHG
    Code:
    23abc_AncestryDNA_scaled,0.110408,0.151314,-0.0290383,-0.0507112,0.0018465,-0.0156179,-0.00305514,-0.00138456,-0.00899905,0.00911181,0.00243583,-0.00149867,-0.00431116,0.00344057,-0.00773606,0.00106072,0.00195576,0.00152026,0.00251396,-0.00550264,-0.00786113,-0.00197844,0.0025882,0.00168699,0.000957998

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  17. #9
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    Posts
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    Y-DNA (P)
    E1b1b1a1b

    Russia Mordovia Russia Imperial Uzbekistan Mongolia Greater Khorasan Sami
    Target: BuxoroFather_scaled
    Distance: 4.7546% / 0.04754550
    29.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    27.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    21.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
    19.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    2.8 MAR_EN

    Target: Buxoro_scaled
    Distance: 4.1941% / 0.04194051
    43.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    33.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    11.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
    5.4 WHG
    4.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.2 MAR_EN

    Target: Buxoro_scaled
    Distance: 4.1941% / 0.04194051
    43.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    33.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    11.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
    5.4 WHG
    4.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.2 MAR_EN

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  19. #10
    Global Moderator
    Posts
    909
    Sex
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b>U152>L2>FGC32041
    mtDNA (M)
    X2e2a3
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1a>YP294>BY90442
    mtDNA (P)
    T2b

    Cappadocian Kingdom Thracian Odrysian Kingdom Greek Macedonia Byzantine Empire Ottoman Empire Turkey
    Let me make a clarification about my Iran-focused analysis. I have added the Paniya population for certain populations that require a South Asian ancestral population. Not all the Iran-related target populations require it. For instance, among modern groups, Azeris, Kurds and Lors do not have any of it.
    Hidden Content

    Y-DNA: R1b>P312>U152>L2>Z41150>DF90>FGC14641>FGC32041; Nigde, Turkey
    mtDNA: X2e2a3; Drama, Greece
    Maternal Y-DNA: R1a>Y40>YP294>BY90442; Razgrad, Bulgaria
    Father's mtDNA: T2b; Nigde, Turkey
    Paternal grandfather's mtDNA: H2a1; Nigde, Turkey
    Maternal grandfather's mtDNA: H5o; Razgrad, Bulgaria
    Father's maternal Y-DNA: R1b>P312>U152>L2>Z41150>DF90>FGC14641>FGC32041; Nigde, Turkey

    Ālim-i Rūm (Scholar of Hidden Content )

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