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Thread: Origins of Q1b1a in the Jewish Population

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    Origins of Q1b1a in the Jewish Population

    Well I thought I would start a thread on this topic here because it pertains to my paternal line. :-) I know there are not many Q1b types out there, but anyone feel free to post your thoughts on how this haplogroup found its way into the Jewish population and into Europe. Evon posted a thread on the Three Hares, looking at the map on the Wikipedia page about the spread of the Three Hares sparked my interest about the spread of Q1b, Q1b1a. See map in the article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_hares Just a thought.

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    The upstream of your haplogroup (Q1b1-M378) has been found in West, South, and parts of Central Asia along with Europe. Considering that Q1a has reached all the way to the Americas, it would make sense that Q1 in general is an Asian haplogroup. If I were to take a guess on Q1b1, it probably originated somewhere between West and South Asia. In the European case, it probably got there via the Middle East, not the steppes.

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    Which groups in South Asia have Q1b?

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    Quote Originally Posted by newtoboard View Post
    Which groups in South Asia have Q1b?
    It's rare in South Asia but it has been found among the Sindhi and Hazara people.

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    Thanks for the conversation guys. :-) Yes Q1b has been found in the Sindhi and Hazara people. But like most Q1b and all subclades of it they are pretty rare as a whole. Even the amount of Q1b1a found in the Jewish people is not in any way a major subclade for them. Q1b1a has also been found in Switzerland. There is also a Netherlands-Irish-Germany cluster (also someone from Ireland here) that has 15-17 at DYF395S1, that is not considered Jewish. They are L245+, which makes them Q1b1a. The Ashkenazi one is usually 15-19, and sometimes 15-18 at those STRs.

    Some other groups that Q1b is found in are Tatars in Russia- they show to be L314+ which sits right under L275. For some reason they only list this as a green Q in whatever FTDNA projects I can find them in. They are clearly Q1b. http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpQ.html They are negative for the L245. Some of the projects that thankfully list the SNPs under the Y results, I can see the men that are considered in the Ashkenazi cluster,some did extensive SNP testing. They are positive for the L245, but also the L275, L314, and also they are positive for the M378. I also wonder why some projects do not bother to list the tested SNPs? I am finding it most annoying when they don't. One would think this is an essential part of these projects.

    Others that are Q-L275 positive, but negative for Q-M378 are from Uzbekistan, Pakistan, and India.

    Others under Q1b1, the hardly ever mentioned Uyghurs (Uighurs) . There is also Q1b1 or M378+, L245- from Kazakhstan. Some Iranians under Q-L301 or also Q1b1.

    Others that are Q1b1a are from Iran, Iraq, Morocco, Portugal, Syria but I think they are Armenian, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Italy, India, Turkey. Also an Avar and a Kaitak from Dagestan. I had a Q1b1a who had emailed me to let me know that he was from the Mutayr tribe of Arabia. He was surprised that one of my ancestral names (though not quite the direct paternal line but married into my direct paternal line) was very similar to the name of his tribe. I actually was surprised when I found this last name too in my family tree. It is a name that would mean that one is Hungarian and not Lithuanian or Polish. The name is Mutyar which has been interpreted as Magyar.
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    Mutair is a word of Arabic ,it is meaning rain

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    The Qs found in Gokcumen et al also seem to be Q1b s

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    this is from saudi arabia

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    Quote Originally Posted by mutair View Post
    Mutair is a word of Arabic ,it is meaning rain
    Welcome to Anthrogenica! Thank you for the Arabic meaning

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    Quote Originally Posted by mutair View Post
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    this is from saudi arabia
    i ask you , about my result

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