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Thread: Origins of Q1b1a in the Jewish Population

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    Quote Originally Posted by mutair View Post
    i ask you , about my result
    Hi mutair have you tested any more SNPs? I can see in the Haplogroup Q project there are several men from Saudi Arabia that are recommend to test Q-Y2209 and Q-YP746.

    Q-M378 predates the existence of the Jewish population. Q1b SNPs associated with the Jews are listed under Q-Y2200. Check out the YFULL tree for those particular ones. http://yfull.com/tree/Q-Y2200/
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    LOOOOL ,
    MR.Mutair , the results are mine , I think there is a mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AM.SAUDI ARABIA View Post
    LOOOOL ,
    MR.Mutair , the results are mine , I think there is a mistake.
    AM.SAUDI ARABIA welcome to Anthrogenica! Clearly the result belongs to you. Great to see more Q1b men here.

    In going back to the activity board of the Haplogroup Q project there was also another Arab Q1b besides yourself that had taken Big Y. I'm not sure if that is mutair? Anyway it is interesting to see both Arabic and Jewish Q1b. The Q1b is in the minority for the Arabs as well as the Jews. https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults

    It is my belief that our greatest of grandfathers (Q-L275) came from Central Asia. The Q-L245 that we also share besides the Q-L275, is older than current borders. The million dollar question is how did they find their way into the Middle East?
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    Thanks Táltos ,
    Actually is confusing because our haplogroup yp745 is present every where Middle east ,north Africa and central Europe. As far as I know our haplogroup Q1b is found in many places in Arabian peninsula. One of the results is found in southern of Saudi Arabia closed to Yemen, from city called Jazan (197532) he Identified his self as from (Bani Umayyah) .Also, there are a few results from Western region of Saudi Arabia closed to Madinah city but it seems there TMRCA is above 2000 years. The majority of q1b men from sadui arabia are located on east cost of Arabian peninsula closed to United Arab of emirates and Bahrain. The other results of q1b men from Arabian peninsula are living on United Arab of emirates and also there is one result from country of Oman.In conclusion , the majority of Arabian results from Arabian peninsula are living on the east cost. The east cost is closed to central Asia( Iran on the other side) and also closed to Iraq. So, I think our ancestors (probably )migrated from central Asia to 2 different directions , one to west south and distributed on Arabian peninsula and the other to Eurasia then to Europe.But presence YP745 in north Africa and central Europe is dilemma

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    Quote Originally Posted by AM.SAUDI ARABIA View Post
    Thanks Táltos ,
    Actually is confusing because our haplogroup yp745 is present every where Middle east ,north Africa and central Europe. As far as I know our haplogroup Q1b is found in many places in Arabian peninsula. One of the results is found in southern of Saudi Arabia closed to Yemen, from city called Jazan (197532) he Identified his self as from (Bani Umayyah) .Also, there are a few results from Western region of Saudi Arabia closed to Madinah city but it seems there TMRCA is above 2000 years. The majority of q1b men from sadui arabia are located on east cost of Arabian peninsula closed to United Arab of emirates and Bahrain. The other results of q1b men from Arabian peninsula are living on United Arab of emirates and also there is one result from country of Oman.In conclusion , the majority of Arabian results from Arabian peninsula are living on the east cost. The east cost is closed to central Asia( Iran on the other side) and also closed to Iraq. So, I think our ancestors (probably )migrated from central Asia to 2 different directions , one to west south and distributed on Arabian peninsula and the other to Eurasia then to Europe.But presence YP745 in north Africa and central Europe is dilemma
    AM.SAUDI ARABIA you're welcome.

    I agree with you that it is confusing as your subclade is found in a variety of places. It seems to be the case for all of Q1b. Found in small numbers, in different places. Looks to be a mobile group. Maybe from a fusion of the Incense Route and the Silk Road to explain the spread?
    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/ince/hd_ince.htm
    http://www.silkroutes.net/SilkSpiceIncenseRoutes.htm

    Another thought. I hope they will be able to analyze DNA from the Indus Valley skeletons. And I have to wonder could they possibly find a Q1b there?!
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab...NZRpcGPAI.html
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...tion-skeletons

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    Quote Originally Posted by Táltos View Post
    AM.SAUDI ARABIA you're welcome.

    I agree with you that it is confusing as your subclade is found in a variety of places. It seems to be the case for all of Q1b. Found in small numbers, in different places. Looks to be a mobile group. Maybe from a fusion of the Incense Route and the Silk Road to explain the spread?
    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/ince/hd_ince.htm
    http://www.silkroutes.net/SilkSpiceIncenseRoutes.htm

    Another thought. I hope they will be able to analyze DNA from the Indus Valley skeletons. And I have to wonder could they possibly find a Q1b there?!
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab...NZRpcGPAI.html
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...tion-skeletons
    IVC, Mehrgarh and BMAC most likely were J2a, it is there for around 10000 yrs, L is another candidate for it, especially L3-M357.

    While Q in the Middle East could be from Scythians and Parthians.
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    My dads DNA info came back and it says Haplogroup Q1B1 and Q-M378 . We are ashkenazi jew so best I can come up with is that it started in Siberia and migrated eventually to Mongolia to the Khazars and then to Europe. We definitely are not Native Americans!

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    The Jewish Q Project at FTDNA was recently updated. Very nice!

    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/jewish-q/about
    There is a bigger Y-DNA Haplogroup Q-M242 Project that welcomes all Qs and we encourage all the members of this group to join that one as well. If you have Jewish ancestry on your direct paternal line, please also join the Avotaynu DNA project. Through these two projects, Adam Brown and Rebekah Canada are doing active research to explore and document the Jewish Q lineages including when they entered the Jewish Diaspora populations.

    About Haplogroup Q
    Haplogroup Q evolved in Eurasia 26,000 to 31,000 years ago.

    In recent years, we have discovered that there are several different branches of Q in Jewish Diaspora populations. This follows a pattern we are told is seen with other haplogroups. One or two types are strongest in one group and almost absent in others. While this pattern could be explained many ways, one likely cause is the reduction of populations due to historic events. That is, the Diaspora itself.

    In the Ashkenazi (Eastern European) Jewish population we are finding that those from Haplogroup Q are Q-Y2200. There appears to be one more mutation downstream (Q-Y2232) that really is only found among Jewish men.

    In addition, there are several branches of Q found in Sephardi, Yemeni, and Greek Jewish populations.

    About This Group
    You do not have to be religiously Jewish to join this group! We are most interested in those who find their Y-DNA to be in Haplogroup Q with male ancestry with a tradition of being Jewish.

    If you have any questions please contact the group administrator, that's me. If you are in Haplogroup Q and I put you into a group that says your are Jewish, please send me a note telling me that your ancestors were not Jewish.

    Dave Howard (nee Horwitz) dshoward@usa.net
    Maternal Grandfather's Y Line: J-ZS1711
    Maternal Grandfather's mtDNA: K2b1
    Paternal Grandmother’s mtDNA: U5a1

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    Updates for Jewish Q! Q-Y2200 is the branch primarily found in Ashkenazi Jews, but there is a European who tested positive for Y2200 and not Y2232.

    https://haplogroup.org/jewish-q-dna-...s-3-july-2018/

    Jewish Q DNA Project Weekly News – 3 July 2018
    Hi,

    This is Rebekah Canada with the Jewish Q DNA Project. I have updated the project's results page to show the branches of Q that we have documented in modern Jewish populations so far. Over the next few weeks, I will go over each one in our newsletter.

    The first is Q-Y2232. The simple background on it is this. If your direct paternal line (your father's father's father) was Ashkenazi Jewish and you are a Y-DNA Q, then you are almost guarantied to be Q-Y2232 or a branch under it. Yup, that is it.

    The project's current goals for this branch are to get everyone in it up to at least a Y37 and a Q-L245 SNP pack test level. For this group, that is the basic testing level. Y111 and Big Y are better, but we would really like to see everyone at the basic level. Why? Because the basic level allows us to sort people into branches that formed in the Middle Ages. That will help us better understand family patterns in Eastern Europe.

    Q-Y2232
    This branch is primarily found in the modern Ashkenazi Jewish population. For those with Ashkenazi Jewish oral traditions, our definitive SNP appears to Q-Y2232. Other Jewish Diaspora Q branches seem to come from elsewhere on the Q tree. They likely came into the Jewish population separately from Q-Y2232. Immediately above Q-Y2232 is Q-Y2200. It is unclear right now how and when those who are Q-Y2200 but not Q-Y2232 are related to their Ashkenazi Jewish cousins.


    Behar and others published a scientific paper January 2004 found 5.22% of Ashkenazi Jewish men to have the P36 marker (a SNP downstream from M242 and upstream from M378) whereas among the non-Jewish neighbors there was only 0.3% had this SNP. It now appears that many of us also have another SNP downstream from M378, the L245. As the results from additional testing become known we will share that information.

    M242 29,000 to 34,000 years old; Eurasia and the Americas
    L275 26,000 to 31,000 years old; Eurasia
    F1213 12,000 to 16,000 years old; Eurasia
    M378 8,000 to 12,000 years old; Eurasia
    L245 5,100 to 6,700 years old; Eurasia
    Y2998 3,200 to 4,100 years old
    Y2209 2,900 to 4,000 years old; Eurasia
    Y2211 2,900 to 4,000 years old; Eurasia
    Y2200 1,800 to 3,200 years old; Ashkenazi Jews and some Europeans
    Y2232 Ashkenazi Jews (4% – 6% of the Ashkenazi population today.)
    Maternal Grandfather's Y Line: J-ZS1711
    Maternal Grandfather's mtDNA: K2b1
    Paternal Grandmother’s mtDNA: U5a1

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