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    G25 Énéolithique

    Vous m'avez convaincu d'essayer G25, et je dois dire que c'est assez bluffant!

    Peut-être que quelqu'un a déjà sorti un G25 de cette époque énéolithique, mais pas grave...
    C'est une époque tellement importante et tellement passionnante avec les données génétiques...

    Bref, j'ai voulu faire un fichier avec des échantillons de l'époque de l'Énéolithique (le passage de Néolithique à l'âge de Bronze), avec des Middle-Neolithic et pas des néolithique, des Yamnaya et des mésolithiques, et peu anachroniques ici, mais indispensables, il me semble, pour représenter les populations d'Europe de l'est, hors Yamnaya.

    Pour chaque catégorie, j'ai enlevé des "Outliers". J'espère de ne pas en avoir oublié..

    J'ai classé les Middle-Neolithique en 4 catégories géographiques: West (GB, Espagne, France, Italie), DEU (Allemagne), Center (Hongrie et Tchèque), et Balkan.
    Pour les Mésolithiques aussi 4 catégories: West, Baltic, East et Balkan.

    Ce que je trouve très intéressant, c'est qu'en principe, vous n'aurez pas ou très peu de Mésolithique West. Ils sont intégrés dans les Middle-Néolithique_West.
    Si vous en avez, cela pourrait vouloir dire que vous avez un surplus de WHG par rapport aux échantillons de l'époque...

    Les Mésolithiques que vous pouvez avoir, seront normalement des Balkans ou de l'Est. Ceux-ci sont en toute logique venu avec les migrations des Steppes.

    La localisation de vos middle-Neolithique est aussi intéressante...
    Car il y a bien sûr les locaux de nos régions représenté par les Middle-Neolithic_West, mais aussi les middle-néolithics d'Europe centrale qui se sont mélangé avec les populations venues des Steppes avant de migrés vers l'Ouest...

    Evidemment, je m'emballe sans doute un peu... Le modèle n'est sans doute pas aussi parfait...
    Voici le fichier que vous pouvez essayé:
    Code:
    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC12,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC22,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Meso_Baltic:Baltic_LTU_Meso,0.134311,0.108662,0.181395,0.186695,0.136949,0.061077,0.010575,0.034383,0.071174,-0.007472,-0.013153,-0.016935,0.029286,0.000138,0.039495,0.060063,0.005215,0.001267,-0.00352,0.048523,0.072248,0.013231,-0.036235,-0.136525,0.012574
    Meso_Baltic:Baltic_LVA_HG,0.1292603,0.1004104,0.1802636,0.1972329,0.1064236,0.0560919,0.0083574,0.0207106,0.0524476,-0.0261394,-0.0046788,-0.0181151,0.0281434,-0.0053759,0.0355759,0.0480141,0.003072,0.0040856,-0.0059236,0.042325,0.0613526,0.0130531,-0.0262979,-0.1110549,0.0095949
    Meso_Baltic:Baltic_LVA_MN,0.1293028,0.0706808,0.1523568,0.1945116,0.047578,0.0589576,-0.0050764,0.006323,0.0208204,-0.0559464,0.0052288,-0.0185234,0.0298512,-0.0275518,0.027931,0.036197,0.0010952,-0.0001266,-0.0074412,0.03104,0.0268278,0.0172372,-0.0087258,-0.0600808,0.0013894
    Meso_West:BEL_Loschbour,0.133173,0.106631,0.20176,0.192186,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0.096535,0.02278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
    Meso_West:Iberia_Northwest_Meso,0.118376,0.088351,0.162162,0.17216,0.141565,0.0502,0.007285,0.035075,0.100626,0.012392,-0.012017,-0.009292,0.022745,-0.00523,0.060531,0.056218,-0.021253,0.012415,-0.007919,0.085291,0.139254,0.024483,-0.068526,-0.254614,0.027662
    Meso_West:Iberia_Southeast_Meso,0.097888,0.059916,0.114268,0.14632,0.112944,0.030399,0.005405,0.017307,0.089172,0.024784,-0.00747,-0.011989,0.008771,-0.010872,0.037866,0.045213,0.002217,0.012289,-0.00817,0.052025,0.084725,0.013725,-0.045725,-0.147129,0.019399
    Meso_East:ROU_Iron_Gates_HG,0.1303272,0.1157702,0.1749838,0.176036,0.1194838,0.0578,0.0108102,0.0302295,0.056551,-0.0113898,-0.0038565,-0.0196325,0.024492,-0.004335,0.0332178,0.048594,0.0074645,0.0086782,-0.0058763,0.0448655,0.0666322,0.0105105,-0.0249885,-0.112064,0.0100292
    Meso_East:RUS_Karelia_HG,0.1236877,0.0321583,0.129855,0.2101663,-0.010361,0.0571723,-0.0196627,-0.0234603,-0.002659,-0.0860153,0.0182957,-0.0184337,0.0333497,-0.039085,0.018865,0.0295237,-0.0148203,0.0031673,-0.0044413,0.012506,-0.007487,0.0169817,0.0093667,-0.021007,-0.0103383
    Meso_East:RUS_Khvalynsk_En,0.1229285,0.053823,0.096543,0.16893,-0.017388,0.0502,-0.0103405,-0.0116535,-0.0345645,-0.084831,0.005521,-0.0049455,0.0231165,-0.043764,0.0250405,0.0174355,-0.000196,-0.0028505,-0.013638,0.0118805,-0.010544,0.0042045,0.0133105,-0.001265,-0.007903
    Meso_East:RUS_Kolyma_Meso,0.046667,-0.344264,0.090509,0.045543,-0.08063,-0.023148,-0.048882,-0.053075,-0.007363,-0.025149,0.006983,-0.007343,0.014717,-0.025598,-0.020901,-0.003315,0.00339,0.008868,0.016592,0.01038,0.002745,-0.022752,0.010723,0.009037,0.011855
    Meso_East:RUS_Samara_HG,0.119514,0.048745,0.113513,0.206398,-0.008001,0.054384,-0.013161,-0.023537,-0.01309,-0.090936,0.01429,-0.018883,0.026164,-0.03647,0.020629,0.012994,-0.005867,-0.000507,-0.00729,0.009004,-0.011854,0.025102,0.009737,-0.02651,-0.009101
    Meso_East:UKR_Meso,0.1231564,0.0820548,0.1424008,0.189602,0.0454236,0.0528776,-9.4e-05,0.0047996,0.016812,-0.0585344,0.0086066,-0.017924,0.0319918,-0.020203,0.023751,0.0341814,0.005111,-0.0016468,-0.0044496,0.029139,0.0266528,0.0108072,-0.003254,-0.046368,0.0019878
    Meso_Balkan:SRB_Iron_Gates_HG,0.1305661,0.1170479,0.1821736,0.179266,0.1313397,0.0553463,0.0143661,0.0327084,0.0650782,-0.010023,-0.0091618,-0.0172588,0.025608,-0.0001331,0.0333084,0.048361,0.0045466,0.0058194,-0.0069012,0.0482893,0.0749404,0.0111487,-0.0339606,-0.1222246,0.0112834
    SHG:SWE_Motala_HG,0.13249,0.0895696,0.1651034,0.187341,0.0864774,0.0551646,-0.00235,0.008538,0.0376324,-0.0389258,0.0016562,-0.0187034,0.0310404,-0.0173406,0.0315686,0.049297,0.005763,0.0024324,-0.006335,0.039744,0.0507604,0.014418,-0.022086,-0.0977008,0.0070412
    Meso_West:WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
    Middle-Neolithic_Center:HUN_ALPc_I_MN,0.119514,0.18178,0.027153,-0.066215,0.065858,-0.029005,0.006345,-0.005307,0.049086,0.069979,0.011692,0.007343,-0.023934,0.010872,-0.042209,-0.01127,0.008736,0.00266,0.023254,-0.014257,-0.011105,0.000618,-0.009244,-0.019641,0.003832
    Middle-Neolithic_Center:HUN_ALPc_III_MN,0.1263435,0.175179,0.0190445,-0.0679915,0.0657045,-0.034722,0.0001175,-0.0006925,0.0439725,0.077268,0.0060895,0.011015,-0.0190285,0.0030275,-0.0406485,0.010143,0.0350735,0.005701,-0.0023885,-0.004815,-0.005927,0.010943,-0.013249,-0.0122305,-0.0088015
    Middle-Neolithic_Center:HUN_ALPc_MN,0.1229287,0.1702703,0.0228787,-0.072029,0.0680127,-0.035791,-0.002585,-0.0008463,0.0454043,0.083464,0.0040597,0.0111903,-0.0204653,-0.001514,-0.035423,0.001105,0.0289453,0.0022803,0.007416,-0.0035433,-0.0044507,0.0084497,-0.0090383,-0.0129737,-0.0042707
    Middle-Neolithic_Center:HUN_ALPc_Szatmar_MN,0.123498,0.180764,0.0233815,-0.082365,0.061396,-0.039463,-0.0024675,-0.004154,0.0391665,0.0803665,0.006008,0.013188,-0.0198465,-0.006399,-0.0292475,-0.018695,0.0046285,0.0038005,0.0094275,-0.008379,-0.006239,0.0037715,-0.008196,-0.0132545,-0.0055085
    Middle-Neolithic_Center:HUN_ALPc_Tiszadob_MN,0.1295306,0.1769052,0.0260968,-0.069445,0.0727518,-0.034694,-0.003008,0.002446,0.0420092,0.07694,0.0069178,0.0098612,-0.0165312,0.0069086,-0.0409604,-0.0191724,-0.0005216,0.006765,0.0132234,-0.0156576,-0.0030448,0.0080126,-0.0111414,-0.020027,-0.002802
    Middle-Neolithic_Center:HUN_Bu_kk_MN,0.121791,0.169593,0.039598,-0.052649,0.056626,-0.030957,-0.000235,0.004154,0.046018,0.073806,0.006658,0.009442,-0.014271,0.001101,-0.031894,0.009149,0.028945,0.005701,0.007039,-0.000625,0.003244,0.014715,-0.014666,-0.013134,-0.008382
    Middle-Neolithic_Center:HUN_LBK_MN,0.123498,0.1807643,0.0126335,-0.0942352,0.0580878,-0.0403695,-0.0029375,-0.003,0.0397798,0.084603,0.008769,0.0125138,-0.02111,0.0004818,-0.042107,-0.0149492,0.01105,-0.0005382,0.012821,-0.0153825,-0.013757,0.0095827,-0.0092128,-0.0026512,-0.002934
    Middle-Neolithic_Center:HUN_Vinca_MN,0.120368,0.1774638,0.008768,-0.0873715,0.0611652,-0.042182,-0.0045238,-0.0019612,0.04387,0.082553,0.0060895,0.0133008,-0.0201435,-0.0020642,-0.039189,-0.0094468,0.023078,0.0027558,0.0115012,-0.0086292,-0.0093587,0.00711,-0.0033278,-0.0027412,-0.0093108
    Middle-Neolithic_Center:HUN_ALPc_Szakalhat_MN,0.1312763,0.174671,0.0301697,-0.065892,0.0722187,-0.038301,-0.0017233,-0.0010767,0.0502447,0.0824923,0.0024357,0.008043,-0.0175913,0.000367,-0.0294513,-0.0175463,0.009127,0.0060813,0.0114387,-0.0073367,-0.0058643,0.0074193,0.0012733,-0.0106437,-0.0059877
    Middle-Neolithic_Center:CZE_MN,0.119514,0.187873,0.019987,-0.086564,0.063704,-0.042391,-0.000235,-0.005769,0.045813,0.083282,0.002923,0.016186,-0.026016,-0.000413,-0.035559,-0.009679,0.015776,-0.004814,0.01169,-0.010005,-0.009858,0.006306,-0.005669,-0.003253,-0.005748
    Middle-Neolithic_DEU:DEU_Baalberge_MN,0.12862,0.17264,0.046197,-0.040375,0.076476,-0.03026,-0.0063455,0.0068075,0.0639135,0.0844665,-0.0030045,0.0106405,-0.020515,-0.0008945,-0.0206975,0.006364,0.0106915,0.008171,0.0039595,-0.003939,0.0021835,0.0034625,-0.018549,-0.0266905,-0.006107
    Middle-Neolithic_DEU:DEU_Blatterhohle_MN,0.12862,0.1435283,0.1118793,0.0655693,0.11397,0.0127357,0.004465,0.0177683,0.0726057,0.043919,-0.005413,-0.0004497,-0.001239,-0.010184,0.0177343,0.0315563,0.0093877,0.0057433,-0.0015083,0.0225107,0.0461683,0.008161,-0.0277717,-0.0756333,0.010099
    Middle-Neolithic_DEU:DEU_Esperstedt_MN,0.121791,0.175687,0.048649,-0.046835,0.087093,-0.037371,-0.003055,0.008538,0.046018,0.081095,0.002111,0.016785,-0.022448,-0.009221,-0.022801,0.012066,0.035464,0,0.008547,0.001,0.006489,0.003957,-0.009613,-0.0194,-0.005868
    Middle-Neolithic_West:Iberia_North_MLN,0.1300429,0.1642619,0.069296,-0.0196222,0.0942868,-0.0192784,-0.0060512,0.0041826,0.0651152,0.0902069,-0.0032476,0.0134692,-0.0308842,-0.0175298,-0.0036982,0.0054198,0.008263,0.0004276,0.0001414,-0.0005314,0.0160184,0.0039721,-0.0140041,-0.0431538,0.0040265
    Middle-Neolithic_West:Iberia_Northeast_MLN,0.1258561,0.1704637,0.0529047,-0.039406,0.0901707,-0.0212354,-0.0049016,0.0039559,0.0634316,0.0944244,-0.0020646,0.0167853,-0.0307091,-0.0175763,-0.005138,0.0010987,0.0051967,0.0032034,-0.0005209,-0.004127,0.0115331,0.0051229,-0.0170083,-0.0366319,0.0007699
    Middle-Neolithic_West:Iberia_Southeast_MLN,0.1261811,0.1677073,0.0457934,-0.042959,0.0838399,-0.0274906,-0.0071173,-0.0006594,0.0686909,0.0943201,0.0008583,0.0181337,-0.0329389,-0.0142144,-0.0076001,-0.0033906,0.0013783,0.002968,0.0018857,-0.0046451,0.0077719,0.0038863,-0.0161279,-0.037768,0.0005473
    Middle-Neolithic_West:Iberia_Southwest_MLN,0.1225493,0.1648543,0.0487743,-0.041021,0.085452,-0.0256577,-0.004935,-0.0016923,0.065993,0.093001,0.002057,0.0125387,-0.0256193,-0.0159183,-0.0060623,0.0037567,0.012517,0.0048143,0.000545,-0.003585,0.016596,0.0056057,-0.0175427,-0.0430987,0.000359
    Middle-Neolithic_West:IRL_MN,0.119514,0.165531,0.048271,-0.041021,0.08063,-0.013666,-0.00188,0.002769,0.05788,0.084375,-0.008282,0.012739,-0.028246,-0.0139,-0.004614,0.001856,0.012647,0.006461,0.007039,-0.01113,0.013975,0.008161,-0.013064,-0.028438,-0.005029
    Middle-Neolithic_West:ITA_Remedello_BA,0.1198937,0.168578,0.0367063,-0.0521107,0.077553,-0.0265877,-0.009557,0.005846,0.05713,0.0826137,-0.0040597,0.0140373,-0.0250243,-0.011285,-0.0184577,-0.0089277,0.0056497,0.0064187,0.011187,-0.0102967,0.002662,0.0006593,-0.0186923,-0.024421,-0.006666
    Middle-Neolithic_West:FRA_MN,0.1263437,0.1743323,0.05066,-0.037791,0.0882213,-0.0311427,-0.0052483,-0.001538,0.065243,0.093912,-0.0005413,0.0145873,-0.0304757,-0.0181207,-0.0094103,0.0049943,0.0136467,0.0028717,-0.000796,-0.0010423,0.0119787,0.0011127,-0.016885,-0.0292813,0.0008783
    Middle-Neolithic_West:Iberia_MN,0.1212218,0.1627387,0.0523252,-0.033592,0.0853235,-0.0214745,-0.0098702,-0.0010385,0.0643228,0.0923028,-0.003004,0.0138628,-0.032854,-0.0157232,-0.0081772,-0.0003315,0.0109522,0.004244,-0.001257,-0.00544,0.0181868,0.0046368,-0.0155598,-0.0405782,0.0024248
    Middle-Neolithic_Balkan:HRV_Sopot_MN,0.126059,0.187873,0.008014,-0.0974655,0.0545485,-0.0449015,-0.0057575,-0.0072112,0.0458135,0.0885665,0.0052775,0.014612,-0.0237488,-0.0021332,-0.0418698,-0.017734,0.0102023,0.0025655,0.008736,-0.0092857,-0.0095142,0.0102325,-0.0045295,-0.0054525,-0.0059875
    CHG:GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
    Neolithic_North-Africa:MAR_LN,0.021626,0.148267,0.003394,-0.095285,0.047393,-0.054384,-0.027731,0.008769,0.083855,0.054124,0.020136,0.001798,0.002973,-0.028901,0.004343,0.009944,0.032726,-0.014062,-0.033938,-5e-04,-0.018343,-0.02201,0.011709,-0.009881,-0.004191
    Yamnaya:RUS_Potapovka_MLBA,0.1263435,0.091398,0.0507225,0.0985155,-0.0101555,0.038487,0.003995,-0.0056535,-0.0275085,-0.0474725,0.005846,-0.002173,0.001784,-0.0245655,0.0287725,0.008618,-0.000652,-0.004054,-0.0040225,0.0083165,-0.010419,0.0004945,0.01214,0.0137365,0.0037125
    Yamnaya:Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke,0.1161,0.073118,0.040729,0.117896,-0.032929,0.059961,-0.00517,-0.003,-0.052972,-0.080548,0.002436,-0.006744,0.001933,-0.027662,0.034473,0.008751,-0.021122,-0.004814,0.002388,0.014632,0.000499,0.006059,0.018117,0.016629,-0.004071
    Yamnaya:Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia,0.115189,0.092007,0.0465368,0.1129864,-0.0276358,0.0420566,0.004371,-0.003646,-0.0539944,-0.0743522,-0.000942,0.0004496,-0.001011,-0.023616,0.0278496,0.0116148,0.0012254,-0.002559,0.0007542,0.0102548,-0.0042426,0.0005688,0.016244,0.0230152,-0.0035446
    Yamnaya:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
    Yamnaya:Yamnaya_UKR,0.1160995,0.0878435,0.0465745,0.106106,-0.030467,0.038766,0.0074025,-0.0026535,-0.0502105,-0.070252,-0.002923,0.003297,-0.002453,-0.019198,0.0311475,0.013988,-0.0009775,-0.0118455,-0.0036455,0.001313,-0.001248,-0.001175,-0.003636,0.0211475,0.001856
    Yamnaya:RUS_Poltavka,0.1265063,0.087916,0.0456316,0.1127279,-0.0251916,0.0459373,0.0048009,0.0003299,-0.053965,-0.0739619,0.002807,-0.0008994,0.0002973,-0.020152,0.033077,0.0128611,-0.0052899,-0.0019727,-0.0022626,0.0098974,-0.0050089,0.0029499,0.0127297,0.0193486,-0.0038833
    VNM:VNM_LN,0.0163143,-0.3875937,-0.0568197,-0.0402673,0.1348967,0.0703733,-0.0036033,-0.0036923,-0.0100217,-0.0145787,0.0582973,0.002947,-0.006442,-0.012386,0.0081887,-0.0002653,0.0080403,-0.0089527,0.000838,0.004419,-0.0024957,0.007337,-0.0058747,-0.0076713,0.028181
    ARM:Armenia_EBA,0.107753,0.128634,-0.065242,-0.045113,-0.048932,-0.00344,0.009479,-0.005154,-0.056244,-0.016948,0.003139,0.009142,-0.014222,0.003165,0.005338,-0.000442,0.012256,-0.000971,-0.002598,0.000292,0.007528,-0.004122,0.004642,-0.00237,-0.001597
    Iran:IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_low_res,0.046667,0.055854,-0.107102,0.029393,-0.100942,0.058288,0.000235,-0.009,-0.064834,-0.059956,0.033614,0.02203,-0.010258,-0.000275,0.057817,0.044285,-0.029597,0.008361,-0.001885,-0.008004,0.013227,-0.016569,-0.023787,-0.025666,0.056761
    Iran:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
    Iran:IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso,0.052359,0.064994,-0.124073,0.043282,-0.112636,0.019522,0.003995,-0.007615,-0.071992,-0.053031,0.009906,0.008842,0.001933,-0.017616,0.030673,0.055157,0.004824,-0.010769,0.010559,-0.029389,0.001123,-0.013231,-0.00493,-0.022413,0.025507
    Iran:IRN_Seh_Gabi_LN,0.05122,0.081242,-0.153488,-0.021964,-0.101865,0.006414,0.014336,0.003231,-0.068925,-0.045559,0,0.00045,0.012636,-0.008533,0.02348,0.059665,0.001956,0.008615,0.008296,-0.034266,0.012478,-0.020897,-0.00456,-0.024823,0.01916
    Iran:IRN_Tepe_Abdul_Hosein_N,0.0421147,0.0639783,-0.1541163,0.0010767,-0.119407,0.0212883,0.0104187,-0.0023077,-0.0809913,-0.057283,-0.002436,-0.002148,0.0040137,-0.0096337,0.0314873,0.0555107,-0.0067363,0.0061233,0.0131143,-0.0351837,0.0062807,-0.0250607,-0.0085453,-0.0374753,0.019958
    Iran:IRN_Wezmeh_N,0.037562,0.072103,-0.165556,-0.016473,-0.11756,0.01506,0.017861,-0.003231,-0.071583,-0.046835,0.003085,-0.003147,0.00669,0.000688,0.022122,0.053036,-0.011735,0.001014,0.014581,-0.035267,0.009358,-0.023741,-0.006655,-0.032896,0.019998
    Han:Han,0.0209434519408812,-0.450691955965491,-0.00871148748492472,-0.0652140125379508,0.0789686239439437,0.038263798494138,0.00256161595482227,-0.00553823076442288,-0.0150734068047008,-0.00328024999047329,-0.0470601650528342,-0.00666906402728299,0.00726950761743875,-0.00761053379205427,-0.0042209013492381,0.00070272483946421,0.00132991729066134,-0.00111485963242015,-0.00177234251768669,-0.0103674728068127,0.011829125614347,0.00704820615476023,0.0146541536739588,-0.000771193360967274,-0.00246684462421126
    Iberomaurusian:MAR_Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
    Levant:Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
    Ot:Anatolia_Ottoman,0.079107,-0.0741335,0.01829,-0.0075905,-0.043085,-0.0133865,0.0029375,0.000808,-0.010124,-0.012119,-0.00885,-0.0063695,-0.0057235,-0.0088075,0.0052255,0,0.007758,0.000887,-0.0018855,-0.000375,-0.0089845,-0.0004325,-0.0096135,-0.001747,0.0003595
    i1:Iranian_Bandari,0.0563425,0.076165,-0.0876805,0.0053833,-0.058062,0.014456,0.0008617,-0.0017307,-0.0229067,-0.0190437,0.0020568,-0.0005495,0.0047325,-0.003303,0.0110612,0.0195127,-0.0060847,0.0058908,0.004504,-0.0171958,0.0007485,-0.0107577,0.0024855,-0.009439,0.0058875
    Middle-Neolithic_West:England_N,0.1257112,0.1700446,0.0558139,-0.0370732,0.0841866,-0.0225592,-0.0048307,0.0018717,0.0641522,0.0895791,0.0026342,0.013388,-0.0261313,-0.0128294,-0.0092139,0.0046407,0.0148638,0.0027167,0.0030586,-0.000264,0.0108697,0.0025142,-0.014379,-0.031477,0.0003326

    J'ai glané de ci de là certaines données sur le forum, voici leurs résultats dans un tableau:
    data3.png
    Y haplogroup: R1b: L21 --> DF13 --> BY145002
    The oldest L21 known are I2457 et I2565 from Stonehenge (Beaker Culture, 2400-1900 BC)

    MTDNA: U4c1
    The oldest U4c1 known are "poz224", Yamnaya culture (2882-2698 BC), and 2 Bell-Beaker in Germany (Karsdorf, 2314-2042 BC)

    Paternal MTDNA: K1b2b
    The oldest K1b2 are Eastern European Mesolithic: Kunda Donkalnis5 (Lithuania), 6000 BC and Meso-Ene Lepenski Vir Lepe28 in Serbia, 5900 BC.

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    Here’s mine:

    JMcB_scaled_default

    Fit: 3.2841

    Yamnaya: 49.4
    Middle-Neolithic_West: 27.4
    Middle-Neolithic_Center: 11.8
    Middle-Neolithic_DEU: 6.6
    Meso_East: 1.8
    Meso_Baltic: 1.2
    Meso_Balkan: 1
    Paper Trail: 43.8% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA: 88.1% British Isles (59.7% English, 27% Scottish & 1.3% Irish), 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%), 4.4% Europe NW (Scandinavia) & 1.6% Europe East, (Mordovia).
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >A13252/YSEQ (circa 1630 AD).

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    c'est une approche intéressante (attention, une fois piégé, on est foutu )
    Tu as utilisé des moyennes ?

    J'ai fait tourner ton essai sur Vahaduo avec les échantillons à ma disposition :
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Z5D...ew?usp=sharing
    Devrait y avoir a peu près tout les utilisateurs habituel du forum

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    J'avais un modèle que je n'ai pas retouché depuis longtemps sur un peu la même méthode (très spécialisé pour les gens de l'ouest), pour une période similaire (qui vise à différencier les courant néolithique)
    ça donne ça (j'aime bien les modèles simples avec un individus "représentatif", j'ai élargi la méthode depuis)
    Code:
    Yamnaya_Samara:I0370,0.124067,0.08632,0.049403,0.111759,-0.027697,0.044623,0.00517,-0.000462,-0.066061,-0.066516,-0.002273,-0.00015,0.000297,-0.025735,0.038545,0.013922,0.000913,-0.000127,-0.005154,0.015632,0.001747,-0.011376,0.006902,0.021328,-0.003952
    Sweden_TRB:Kvarlov5164,0.124067,0.164516,0.064488,-0.028747,0.084631,-0.015618,-0.00705,0.003231,0.053176,0.064876,0.002761,0.014837,-0.023042,-0.009909,-0.005836,0.012596,0.022948,0.004434,0.012696,-0.004627,0.006863,0.001484,-0.012818,-0.021328,-0.015807
    Scotland_N:I3041,0.121791,0.165531,0.070899,-0.010336,0.090786,-0.011992,-0.00705,0.000692,0.063198,0.077268,-0.003735,0.005395,-0.0278,-0.016239,-0.004343,0.019358,0.014081,0.001647,0.005405,0.000125,0.019341,0.006554,-0.021075,-0.049766,0.005149
    France_MLN:I4305,0.127482,0.178733,0.046386,-0.038114,0.089247,-0.029841,-0.005405,0.000462,0.063607,0.092211,-0.000812,0.015137,-0.034192,-0.011423,-0.013708,0.001591,0.00339,0.005194,0.00264,-0.002001,0.016221,0.001484,-0.020582,-0.025184,0.009101
    England_N:I6751,0.124067,0.171624,0.058454,-0.040375,0.082477,-0.014502,-0.00329,-0.002308,0.068106,0.082006,-0.002761,0.018733,-0.019326,-0.006606,-0.006107,-0.000663,0.015646,0.006334,0.002891,0.001,0.017344,0.009027,-0.011216,-0.032776,-0.003113
    Globular_Amphora:ILK001,0.125205,0.1635,0.054682,-0.024871,0.081861,-0.011713,-0.00235,0.007384,0.054812,0.072348,-0.001786,0.004046,-0.015758,-0.009634,-0.0076,0.016971,0.023078,0.0019,0.006285,0.002126,0.007736,0.008532,-0.019843,-0.022413,0.002874
    Balkans_ChL:I2431,0.120652,0.171624,0.027153,-0.064923,0.052317,-0.026774,0.001175,0.002308,0.032519,0.062689,0,0.010191,-0.013677,-0.001101,-0.034744,-0.017634,-0.001173,0.005068,0.009804,-0.017008,-0.009733,0.008656,-0.010969,-0.015785,-0.002634
    Pour comparer, ma mère avec ton expérience donne :
    Target: Kerbouet
    Distance: 2.8713% / 0.02871273
    Aggregated
    46.2 Yamnaya
    27.8 Middle-Neolithic_West
    14.4 Middle-Neolithic_Center
    7.4 Meso_East
    4.2 Middle-Neolithic_DEU

    avec mon "vieux" modèle :

    Kerbouet
    "distance%=3.0001"
    Yamnaya_Samara,47.2
    France_MLN,21.8
    Sweden_TRB,21.8
    Scotland_N,6.6
    Globular_Amphora,2.6

    il y a des choses qui se recoupe plutôt pas mal quand on connait un peu la composition des individus

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    J'ai oublié de préciser que j'ai utilisé pen=0.
    Y haplogroup: R1b: L21 --> DF13 --> BY145002
    The oldest L21 known are I2457 et I2565 from Stonehenge (Beaker Culture, 2400-1900 BC)

    MTDNA: U4c1
    The oldest U4c1 known are "poz224", Yamnaya culture (2882-2698 BC), and 2 Bell-Beaker in Germany (Karsdorf, 2314-2042 BC)

    Paternal MTDNA: K1b2b
    The oldest K1b2 are Eastern European Mesolithic: Kunda Donkalnis5 (Lithuania), 6000 BC and Meso-Ene Lepenski Vir Lepe28 in Serbia, 5900 BC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tolan View Post
    J'ai oublié de préciser que j'ai utilisé pen=0.

    And with Pen 0

    JMcB_scaled

    Fit: 2.8853

    Yamnaya: 44
    Middle-Neolithic_West: 28.8
    Middle-Neolithic_Center: 21
    Meso_East: 6.2
    Paper Trail: 43.8% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA: 88.1% British Isles (59.7% English, 27% Scottish & 1.3% Irish), 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%), 4.4% Europe NW (Scandinavia) & 1.6% Europe East, (Mordovia).
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >A13252/YSEQ (circa 1630 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by fabrice E View Post
    c'est une approche intéressante (attention, une fois piégé, on est foutu )
    Tu as utilisé des moyennes ?

    J'ai fait tourner ton essai sur Vahaduo avec les échantillons à ma disposition :
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Z5D...ew?usp=sharing
    Devrait y avoir a peu près tout les utilisateurs habituel du forum
    C'est pratique Vahaduo...!

    Parmi les résultats que tu as obtenu et les miens, on peut constater que les Bretons (occidentaux) et les Britanniques auraient le plus de Yamnaya et de Middle-Neolithique West.
    Les français de l'Est, un peu plus de Middle-Neolithic_Center: peut-être une influence plus de grande de Hallstatt qui en a beaucoup de mon tableau, alors que les BBC ont plutôt ceux de l'Ouest ou d'Allemagne...
    Y haplogroup: R1b: L21 --> DF13 --> BY145002
    The oldest L21 known are I2457 et I2565 from Stonehenge (Beaker Culture, 2400-1900 BC)

    MTDNA: U4c1
    The oldest U4c1 known are "poz224", Yamnaya culture (2882-2698 BC), and 2 Bell-Beaker in Germany (Karsdorf, 2314-2042 BC)

    Paternal MTDNA: K1b2b
    The oldest K1b2 are Eastern European Mesolithic: Kunda Donkalnis5 (Lithuania), 6000 BC and Meso-Ene Lepenski Vir Lepe28 in Serbia, 5900 BC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tolan View Post
    C'est pratique Vahaduo...!

    Parmi les résultats que tu as obtenu et les miens, on peut constater que les Bretons (occidentaux) et les Britanniques auraient le plus de Yamnaya et de Middle-Neolithique West.
    Les français de l'Est, un peu plus de Middle-Neolithic_Center: peut-être une influence plus de grande de Hallstatt qui en a beaucoup de mon tableau, alors que les BBC ont plutôt ceux de l'Ouest ou d'Allemagne...
    En effet une fois qu'on a mis les pieds dedans !!!!

    Si tu veux comparer avec des Cotentinais

    Target: Cotentin1
    Distance: 3.0630% / 0.03062954
    Aggregated
    48.0 Yamnaya
    37.0 Middle-Neolithic_West
    9.0 Middle-Neolithic_Center
    6.0 Middle-Neolithic_DEU

    Target: Helgi_scaled
    Distance: 3.4303% / 0.03430273
    Aggregated
    43.8 Yamnaya
    29.2 Middle-Neolithic_West
    22.6 Middle-Neolithic_Center
    4.4 Meso_Balkan

    Target: Helgi_mum_scaled
    Distance: 2.8801% / 0.02880068
    Aggregated
    49.8 Middle-Neolithic_West
    46.2 Yamnaya
    2.0 Middle-Neolithic_Center
    2.0 Middle-Neolithic_DEU


    EDIT: ces résultats sont déjà postés sur le post précédent
    Last edited by Helgenes50; 10-08-2019 at 05:34 AM.
    Recent Ancestry, full Normand. Known Genealogy 7/8 of the Cotentin peninsula 1/8 region of Coutances. Unfortunately, there are many missing branches on the maternal side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helgenes50 View Post
    En effet une fois qu'on a mis les pieds dedans !!!!

    Si tu veux comparer avec des Cotentinais

    Target: Cotentin1
    Distance: 3.0630% / 0.03062954
    Aggregated
    48.0 Yamnaya
    37.0 Middle-Neolithic_West
    9.0 Middle-Neolithic_Center
    6.0 Middle-Neolithic_DEU

    Target: Helgi_scaled
    Distance: 3.4303% / 0.03430273
    Aggregated
    43.8 Yamnaya
    29.2 Middle-Neolithic_West
    22.6 Middle-Neolithic_Center
    4.4 Meso_Balkan

    Target: Helgi_mum_scaled
    Distance: 2.8801% / 0.02880068
    Aggregated
    49.8 Middle-Neolithic_West
    46.2 Yamnaya
    2.0 Middle-Neolithic_Center
    2.0 Middle-Neolithic_DEU


    EDIT: ces résultats sont déjà postés sur le post précédent
    Oui merci!

    Ils sont assez ressemblant aux Bretons, avec une nette préférence pour les middle-Neo West mais avec un petit peu moins de Yamnaya en général...

    Angle et son père, sont un peu différent, avec beaucoup de middle-neolithc du centre (donc de Hongrie). Peut-être une influence plus grande de l'âge de Fer en Haute-Normandie?
    Last edited by Tolan; 10-08-2019 at 09:09 AM.
    Y haplogroup: R1b: L21 --> DF13 --> BY145002
    The oldest L21 known are I2457 et I2565 from Stonehenge (Beaker Culture, 2400-1900 BC)

    MTDNA: U4c1
    The oldest U4c1 known are "poz224", Yamnaya culture (2882-2698 BC), and 2 Bell-Beaker in Germany (Karsdorf, 2314-2042 BC)

    Paternal MTDNA: K1b2b
    The oldest K1b2 are Eastern European Mesolithic: Kunda Donkalnis5 (Lithuania), 6000 BC and Meso-Ene Lepenski Vir Lepe28 in Serbia, 5900 BC.

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    Quelques résultats plus méridionaux :

    Modèle Tolan :

    Target: Andour_scaled Distance: 3.1420% / 0.03142030 Aggregated
    38.6 Yamnaya
    29.6 Middle-Neolithic_Center
    23.2 Middle-Neolithic_West
    8.2 Middle-Neolithic_DEU
    0.4 Meso_Balkan

    Target: AndourDaughter_scaled Distance: 2.6121% / 0.02612087 Aggregated
    38.2 Yamnaya
    36.6 Middle-Neolithic_West
    15.4 Middle-Neolithic_Center
    9.8 Middle-Neolithic_DEU

    Target: AndourWife_scaled Distance: 2.3833% / 0.02383260 Aggregated
    41.8 Middle-Neolithic_West
    35.8 Yamnaya
    13.4 Middle-Neolithic_Center
    8.0 Middle-Neolithic_DEU
    1.0 Meso_East


    Modèle Fabrice

    Target: Andour_scaled Distance: 3.1523% / 0.03152301 Aggregated
    35.6 Yamnaya_Samara
    31.2 France_MLN
    25.6 Balkans_ChL
    7.6 Sweden_TRB

    Target: AndourDaughter_scaled Distance: 2.7177% / 0.02717732 Aggregated
    34.2 Yamnaya_Samara
    28.4 Sweden_TRB
    16.8 France_MLN
    16.4 Balkans_ChL
    4.2 Globular_Amphora

    Target: AndourWife_scaled Distance: 2.2081% / 0.02208050 Aggregated
    33.0 Sweden_TRB
    33.0 Yamnaya_Samara
    22.4 France_MLN
    11.6 Balkans_ChL


    J'aurais besoin de vos lumières. Comment et où règle-t-on "pen=0" ou "pen=001" ? C'est quoi ce "pen" et comment affecte-t-il les résultats ? (Pour info, je ne sais guère utiliser que Vahaduo.)

    Question subsidiaire : quelle que soit la modélisation (Fabrice, Tolan, Ph2ter, etc...) j'ai toujours autour de 1% d'écart sur le "fit" entre ma femme (bas de fourchette) et moi (1 point de plus), avec ma fille entre les deux. Pourquoi ? Quelle bon sang de bonsoir de population fantôme peut bien manquer pour que je parvienne à me modéliser plus justement ?

    Edit : Et, pendant que j'y suis, quelqu'un aurait-il les coordonnées G25 des individus de la Lech Valley ? Quelque chose me murmure que nous devons être assez proches, mais je ne sais pas où chercher leur "adresse"...
    Last edited by Andour; 10-08-2019 at 10:04 AM.
    Immi uiros rios toutias rias

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