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    MENA shifted Sicilian DNA that stands out to me

    I am hoping to gain some insight regarding my mother's 23&me/Gedmatch results. From what I can tell, and from what I have been told, she shifts quite significantly toward North Africa, perhaps even more so than other Sicilians do. A little background: my mother was born in Castelbouno, Sicily, a town in the Madonie region of central Sicily. Her father was from Castelbouno while her mother was from Tomasso Natale, Palermo, Sicily. As I have mentioned in other posts, although I am not sure this is relevant per se, my mother, along with my grandfather and aunt, matches with people of 100% Levantine background on both 23&me and Gedmatch, though very distantly. At any rate, I was hoping to spark a discussion regarding her results. I would be happy to share her kit as well. I have put in bold some things that stand out to me. Her results are as follows:

    MDLP K16:
    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 34.9
    2 Neolithic 27.53
    3 Steppe 12.83
    4 NearEast 9.31
    5 NorthAfrican 6.96

    6 NorthEastEuropean 6.02
    7 Oceanic 2.03
    8 Indian 0.42

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Sicilian (Sicily) 5.57
    2 Italian (SouthItaly) 5.62
    3 Maltese (Malta) 6.4
    4 Jew (Italian) 6.43
    5 Jew (Ashkenazi) 6.51
    6 Jew (Ashkenazim) 6.53
    7 Italian (Abruzzo) 6.56
    8 Jew (Algeria) 6.6
    9 Jew (Bulgaria) 6.71
    10 Jew (Turkey) 7.12
    11 Jew (Belmonte) 7.6
    12 Jew (Sephardim) 7.93
    13 Jew (Morocco) 8.2
    14 Jew (Ashkenazi) 8.46
    15 Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) 8.81
    16 Greek (Peloponnes) 9.59
    17 Greek (Greece) 9.64
    18 Greek (Athens) 9.77
    19 Albanian (Albania) 10.68
    20 Greek (Macedonia) 10.73

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 86.7% Jew (Turkey) + 13.3% Basque (France) @ 3.29
    2 84.6% Jew (Turkey) + 15.4% French (SouthFrance) @ 3.33
    3 73.4% Jew (Algeria) + 26.6% Italian (Bergamo) @ 3.38
    4 81.3% Jew (Turkey) + 18.7% Spanish (Aragon) @ 3.41
    5 83.6% Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) + 16.4% Basque (France) @ 3.5
    6 82.9% Jew (Algeria) + 17.1% Spanish (Aragon) @ 3.53
    7 86.1% Jew (Algeria) + 13.9% French (SouthFrance) @ 3.54
    8 88.5% Jew (Italian) + 11.5% Basque (France) @ 3.56
    9 78.7% Jew (Turkey) + 21.3% Spanish (Andalucia) @ 3.61
    10 88.2% Jew (Algeria) + 11.8% Basque (France) @ 3.62
    11 86.7% Jew (Italian) + 13.3% French (SouthFrance) @ 3.68
    12 80.6% Jew (Algeria) + 19.4% Spanish (Andalucia) @ 3.69
    13 68.9% Jew (Algeria) + 31.1% Corsican (Corsica) @ 3.81
    14 79.7% Jew (Algeria) + 20.3% Spanish (Spain) @ 3.84
    15 82.7% Jew (Algeria) + 17.3% French (France) @ 3.85
    16 88.3% Jew (Bulgaria) + 11.7% Basque (France) @ 3.88
    17 72.4% Jew (Turkey) + 27.6% Italian (Bergamo) @ 3.99
    18 62.6% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) + 37.4% Spanish (Aragon) @ 4.01
    19 77.5% Jew (Algeria) + 22.5% Provencal (Provence) @ 4.02
    20 82.2% Jew (Algeria) + 17.8% German (Germany) @ 4.08



    MDLP K23:
    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 37.78
    2 European_Early_Farmers 22.33
    3 Near_East 10.83
    4 North_African 10.74
    5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 8.24
    6 South_Central_Asian 6.59
    7 East_Siberian 1.29
    8 Austronesian 1.22
    9 East_African 0.5
    10 Melano_Polynesian 0.43
    11 South_Indian 0.05

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 French_Jew ( ) 3.19
    2 Italian_Jew ( ) 4.14
    3 Sicilian_East ( ) 4.37
    4 Sephardic_Jew ( ) 4.43
    5 Turk_Jew ( ) 4.8
    6 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 5.18
    7 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 6
    8 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 6.2
    9 Ashkenazi ( ) 6.33
    10 Maltese ( ) 6.42
    11 Moroccan_Jew ( ) 6.74
    12 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 7.44
    13 Sicilian_West ( ) 7.59
    14 Romanian_Jew ( ) 7.92
    15 Tunisian_Jew ( ) 8.45
    16 Cretan ( ) 8.68
    17 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 8.83
    18 Sicilian_Center ( ) 9.14
    19 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 9.19
    20 Libyan_Jew ( ) 9.41

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 96.4% Sicilian_East ( ) + 3.6% Mozabite ( ) @ 2.73
    2 95.7% French_Jew ( ) + 4.3% Kabardin ( ) @ 2.8
    3 84.7% Maltese ( ) + 15.3% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) @ 2.81
    4 95.8% French_Jew ( ) + 4.2% Tabassaran ( ) @ 2.81
    5 95.9% French_Jew ( ) + 4.1% Lak ( ) @ 2.83
    6 96% French_Jew ( ) + 4% Lezgin ( ) @ 2.83
    7 95.8% French_Jew ( ) + 4.2% Circassian ( ) @ 2.83
    8 96% French_Jew ( ) + 4% Avar ( ) @ 2.84
    9 95.1% French_Jew ( ) + 4.9% Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) @ 2.84
    10 87.1% French_Jew ( ) + 12.9% Syrian_Jew ( ) @ 2.84
    11 94.8% French_Jew ( ) + 5.2% Azeri ( ) @ 2.85
    12 94.3% French_Jew ( ) + 5.7% Iraqi_Mandean ( ) @ 2.85
    13 95.7% French_Jew ( ) + 4.3% Kumyk ( ) @ 2.85
    14 95.3% French_Jew ( ) + 4.7% Nogai ( ) @ 2.85
    15 96.1% French_Jew ( ) + 3.9% Dargin_Urkarah ( ) @ 2.85
    16 95.8% French_Jew ( ) + 4.2% Azeri_Dagestan ( ) @ 2.85
    17 95.2% French_Jew ( ) + 4.8% Cirkassian ( ) @ 2.85
    18 96.1% French_Jew ( ) + 3.9% Chechen ( ) @ 2.86
    19 95.3% French_Jew ( ) + 4.7% Kurd ( ) @ 2.86
    20 84.9% French_Jew ( ) + 15.1% Tunisian_Jew ( ) @ 2.86


    Eurogenes K13:
    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 33.14
    2 West_Med 23.75
    3 North_Atlantic 18.75
    4 West_Asian 13.31
    5 Red_Sea 5.99
    6 Baltic 2.67
    7 East_Asian 1.1
    8 Northeast_African 0.82
    9 Siberian 0.36
    10 Oceanian 0.1

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 4.32
    2 Sephardic_Jewish 6.33
    3 Italian_Jewish 6.43
    4 West_Sicilian 6.82
    5 East_Sicilian 7.14
    6 Algerian_Jewish 7.59

    7 Central_Greek 8.4
    8 Italian_Abruzzo 8.66
    9 Ashkenazi 9.29
    10 Tunisian_Jewish 10.95
    11 Libyan_Jewish 11.79
    12 Tuscan 12.98
    13 Greek_Thessaly 14.4
    14 Cyprian 15.15
    15 Lebanese_Muslim 19.04
    16 North_Italian 19.27
    17 Syrian 20.21
    18 Samaritan 21.36
    19 Turkish 21.98
    20 Tunisian 22.37

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 67.6% Cyprian + 32.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.75
    2 65.4% Lebanese_Christian + 34.6% French_Basque @ 2.79
    3 74% Cyprian + 26% French_Basque @ 2.89
    4 54.1% Lebanese_Christian + 45.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.99
    5 64% Cyprian + 36% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.07
    6 64.6% Cyprian + 35.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.28
    7 66% Cyprian + 34% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.29
    8 58.1% Lebanese_Christian + 41.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.33
    9 88.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 11.2% French_Basque @ 3.39
    10 65.3% Cyprian + 34.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.43
    11 83.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 16.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.47
    12 68.3% South_Italian + 31.7% Italian_Jewish @ 3.51
    13 52.6% Sephardic_Jewish + 47.4% West_Sicilian @ 3.54
    14 78.3% Sephardic_Jewish + 21.7% North_Italian @ 3.55
    15 86.4% Sephardic_Jewish + 13.6% Southwest_French @ 3.6
    16 68.9% South_Italian + 31.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.62
    17 70.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 29.3% Tuscan @ 3.66
    18 85.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 14.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.68
    19 84.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 15.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.7
    20 85.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 14.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.71


    Eurogenes K15:
    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 30.19
    2 West_Med 19.45
    3 Atlantic 16.11
    4 West_Asian 14.65
    5 North_Sea 8.42
    6 Red_Sea 6.39
    7 Eastern_Euro 1.41
    8 Baltic 1.22
    9 Northeast_African 1.05
    10 Southeast_Asian 0.6
    11 Siberian 0.49
    12 Oceanian 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 4.78
    2 Italian_Jewish 5.64
    3 East_Sicilian 6.4
    4 Sephardic_Jewish 6.44
    5 West_Sicilian 6.48
    6 Algerian_Jewish 7.33

    7 Central_Greek 7.37
    8 Italian_Abruzzo 7.49
    9 Ashkenazi 9.46
    10 Tunisian_Jewish 10.84
    11 Tuscan 11.9
    12 Greek 12.63
    13 Libyan_Jewish 13.34
    14 Greek_Thessaly 13.8
    15 Cyprian 13.95
    16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.78
    17 North_Italian 18.17
    18 Syrian 18.76
    19 Turkish 19.57
    20 Samaritan 20.31

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 65.9% Cyprian + 34.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.93
    2 67.4% Cyprian + 32.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 3
    3 63.9% Cyprian + 36.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.18
    4 64.3% Cyprian + 35.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.2
    5 68% Cyprian + 32% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.29
    6 64.1% Cyprian + 35.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.35
    7 73.5% Cyprian + 26.5% French_Basque @ 3.45
    8 65.6% Cyprian + 34.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.45
    9 52.7% Lebanese_Christian + 47.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.6
    10 66% Cyprian + 34% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.77
    11 60.7% Italian_Jewish + 39.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.77
    12 64.9% Cyprian + 35.1% Portuguese @ 3.81
    13 66.2% Cyprian + 33.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.84
    14 50.7% Algerian_Jewish + 49.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.9
    15 90.2% Italian_Jewish + 9.8% French_Basque @ 3.9
    16 55% Lebanese_Christian + 45% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.91
    17 68.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 31.2% Tuscan @ 3.95
    18 69.2% Cyprian + 30.8% Southwest_French @ 3.99
    19 60.6% South_Italian + 39.4% Italian_Jewish @ 4.03
    20 77.9% Sephardic_Jewish + 22.1% North_Italian @ 4.03


    Dodecad K12b:
    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 34.09
    2 Atlantic_Med 29.68
    3 Southwest_Asian 13.12
    4 North_European 10.03
    5 Gedrosia 7.11
    6 Northwest_African 4.89
    7 Southeast_Asian 0.52
    8 Siberian 0.45
    9 East_African 0.08
    10 South_Asian 0.01

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 3.96
    2 Sicilian (Dodecad) 4.04
    3 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 6.84
    4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 7.52
    5 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 8
    6 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 8.34
    7 C_Italian (Dodecad) 9.82
    8 Greek (Dodecad) 11.59
    9 Tuscan (HGDP) 13.74
    10 O_Italian (Dodecad) 13.92
    11 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.72
    12 Cypriots (Behar) 17.57
    13 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.85
    14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 20.93
    15 North_Italian (HGDP) 21.62
    16 Lebanese (Behar) 21.65
    17 Turks (Behar) 23.26
    18 Syrians (Behar) 24.15
    19 Druze (HGDP) 24.74
    20 Jordanians (Behar) 25.06

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 75.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 24.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.7
    2 85.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 14.9% French (HGDP) @ 1.89
    3 87.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12.6% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 1.99
    4 63.7% Cypriots (Behar) + 36.3% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 2.04
    5 69.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 30.9% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 2.08
    6 87.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12.4% British (Dodecad) @ 2.08
    7 76.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 23.2% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 2.09
    8 87.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12.7% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.16
    9 88% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.17
    10 67.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 32.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.19
    11 88.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 11.9% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.21
    12 87.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12.5% English (Dodecad) @ 2.21
    13 87.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.22
    14 88% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.23
    15 84.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 15.7% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 2.23
    16 87.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12.1% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.25
    17 88.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 11.8% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.28
    18 59.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 40.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.35
    19 63.5% Cypriots (Behar) + 36.5% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 2.35
    20 81.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18.1% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 2.37


    Harappaworld:
    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 33.32
    2 Mediterranean 28.93
    3 SW-Asian 15.19
    4 NE-Euro 12.51
    5 Baloch 7.22
    6 Siberian 0.99
    7 SE-Asian 0.99
    8 San 0.61
    9 Papuan 0.24

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 5.64
    2 sephardic-jew (behar) 6.22
    3 morocco-jew (behar) 6.67
    4 ashkenazi (harappa) 8.19
    5 tuscan (1000genomes) 13.49
    6 tuscan (hgdp) 14.02
    7 tuscan (hapmap) 14.5
    8 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 17.89
    9 cypriot (behar) 17.93
    10 lebanese (behar) 20.79
    11 italian (hgdp) 21.7
    12 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 22.26
    13 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 22.66
    14 lebanese-muslim (haber) 23.6
    15 syrian (behar) 23.61
    16 jordanian (behar) 23.82
    17 palestinian (harappa) 23.82
    18 turk (behar) 23.93
    19 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 24.05
    20 turkish (harappa) 24.2

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 78.8% sephardic-jew (behar) + 21.2% italian (hgdp) @ 2.27
    2 84.5% sephardic-jew (behar) + 15.5% spaniard (behar) @ 2.29
    3 88.6% sephardic-jew (behar) + 11.4% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.36
    4 88.9% sephardic-jew (behar) + 11.1% basque (hgdp) @ 2.36
    5 84.8% sephardic-jew (behar) + 15.2% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.4
    6 70.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 29.9% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.6
    7 64.5% lebanese-christian (haber) + 35.5% basque (hgdp) @ 2.85
    8 87% sephardic-jew (behar) + 13% french (hgdp) @ 2.89
    9 68.9% morocco-jew (behar) + 31.1% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 3.04
    10 63.9% lebanese-christian (haber) + 36.1% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 3.08
    11 89.8% sephardic-jew (behar) + 10.2% british (1000genomes) @ 3.33
    12 71.7% cypriot (behar) + 28.3% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 3.38
    13 88% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 12% sardinian (hgdp) @ 3.38
    14 89.6% sephardic-jew (behar) + 10.4% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 3.4
    15 90.4% sephardic-jew (behar) + 9.6% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.44
    16 64.5% cypriot (behar) + 35.5% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 3.56
    17 55.8% lebanese-christian (haber) + 44.2% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 3.58
    18 72.3% cypriot (behar) + 27.7% basque (hgdp) @ 3.59
    19 90% sephardic-jew (behar) + 10% n-european (xing) @ 3.67
    20 64.1% lebanese-druze (haber) + 35.9% basque (hgdp) @ 3.72

    PuntDNA-L K13:
    # Population Percent
    1 SW_Europe 40.9
    2 West_Asia 25.78
    3 SW_Asia 15.05
    4 NE_Europe 13.5
    5 Siberia 1.66
    6 South_Africa 1.65
    7 SE_Asia 1.12
    8 Oceania 0.28
    9 West_Africa 0.06

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian_Sicilian 4.5
    2 Ashkenazy_Jew 5.26
    3 Sephardic_Jew 6.7
    4 Italian_Abruzzo 8.24
    5 Greek_Central 9.49
    6 Cypriot 12.46
    7 Greek_Thessaly 13.84
    8 Albanian 14.45
    9 Italian_Tuscan 15.36
    10 Turkish 15.49
    11 Kosovar 15.7
    12 Turkish_Kayseri 17.27
    13 Lebanese_Christian 18.46
    14 Turkish_Aydin 18.56
    15 Syrian 18.69
    16 Lebanese_Druze 18.97
    17 Lebanese_Muslim 19.97
    18 Italian_Bergamo 20.66
    19 Bulgarian 20.74
    20 Jordanian 20.77

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 73.9% Cypriot + 26.1% French_Basque @ 3.77
    2 98.6% Italian_Sicilian + 1.4% San @ 4.15
    3 93.3% Italian_Sicilian + 6.7% Turkish_Trabzon @ 4.22
    4 98.6% Italian_Sicilian + 1.4% Ju_Hoan @ 4.25
    5 63.3% Cypriot + 36.7% Italian_Bergamo @ 4.28
    6 89.5% Italian_Sicilian + 10.5% Cypriot @ 4.29
    7 98.7% Italian_Sicilian + 1.3% Nganasan @ 4.31
    8 98.6% Italian_Sicilian + 1.4% Yakut @ 4.33
    9 98.7% Italian_Sicilian + 1.3% Chukchi @ 4.36
    10 98.7% Italian_Sicilian + 1.3% Koryak @ 4.36
    11 98.7% Italian_Sicilian + 1.3% Dolgan @ 4.38
    12 98.8% Italian_Sicilian + 1.2% Eskimo @ 4.4
    13 99% Italian_Sicilian + 1% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 4.4
    14 96% Italian_Sicilian + 4% Armenian @ 4.4
    15 99.1% Italian_Sicilian + 0.9% Igorot @ 4.41
    16 98.9% Italian_Sicilian + 1.1% Oroqen @ 4.42
    17 98.8% Italian_Sicilian + 1.2% Tuvinian @ 4.42
    18 99.1% Italian_Sicilian + 0.9% Murut @ 4.43
    19 99.1% Italian_Sicilian + 0.9% Dusun @ 4.44
    20 99% Italian_Sicilian + 1% Visayan @ 4.44

    On 23%me she scored the following:

    20.6% Western Asia & North African

    Northern West Asia- 8.3%
    Anatolian- 3.0%
    Iranian - 1%
    Broadly Northern West Asia - 3.9%

    Arab- 5.3%
    Egyptian- 4.3%
    Broadly Arab - 1.0%

    Broadly Western Asian & North African - 7%

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    Your mother overall has higher than average Afroasiatic elements for a Sicilian (meaning Near Eastern/SW Asian/North African/Red Sea) and indeed Palermo tends to be one of the more "MENA" parts of Sicily due to Phoenician settlement but what strikes me about this is that on 23andme she has above noise level of Egyptian. Her MENA is unlikely to just be Phoenician though that may play a role -- there are clearly Arab/Berber traces that not all Sicilians will share at those levels, and her matching with a lot of Lebanese people (especially since Sicilians and Lebanese do not share a lot of IBD because the connection is very ancient, not recent) may even suggest recent Levantine ancestry.

    If you have seen results from places like Syracuse, Ragusa, Apulia, Basilicata, etc. a difference can be seen.
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    Possible sources of MENA ancestry in the Palermo area that might help you:

    1. Phoenicians (Levantine)
    2. Elymians (Anatolia/Caucasus/Mesopotamian)
    3. Byzantine period (Armenians, Levantines, and Anatolians)
    4. Arab period (Egyptians, Berbers, Levantines)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Your mother overall has higher than average Afroasiatic elements for a Sicilian (meaning Near Eastern/SW Asian/North African/Red Sea) and indeed Palermo tends to be one of the more "MENA" parts of Sicily due to Phoenician settlement but what strikes me about this is that on 23andme she has above noise level of Egyptian. Her MENA is unlikely to just be Phoenician though that may play a role -- there are clearly Arab/Berber traces that not all Sicilians will share at those levels, and her matching with a lot of Lebanese people (especially since Sicilians and Lebanese do not share a lot of IBD because the connection is very ancient, not recent) may even suggest recent Levantine ancestry.

    If you have seen results from places like Syracuse, Ragusa, Apulia, Basilicata, etc. a difference can be seen.
    A user on gedmatch seems to believe that my moms NA shift is actually a product of Sephardi ancestry. What do you think?

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    A user on gedmatch seems to believe that my moms NA shift is actually a product of Sephardi ancestry. What do you think?
    That could be, but since most people in her region are the same way, I doubt ALL of them have Sephardi ancestry.

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    I know a woman who potentially beats them all. She even looks Near Eastern-like and yes Sicilian.
    Send the kit and results. That would be cool. Yeah, my mom looks pretty much Levantine or near East too, as does a lot of my family members. I think that's pretty normal for Central Sicilians, honestly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimanto View Post
    I know a woman who potentially beats them all. She even looks Near Eastern-like and yes Sicilian.
    Send the result and what town/province is she from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmjl2181 View Post
    Send the kit and results. That would be cool. Yeah, my mom looks pretty much Levantine or near East too, as does a lot of my family members. I think that's pretty normal for Central Sicilians, honestly.
    I think Sicily should be divided in 4 when it comes to genetics, and this is what I'd say makes sense:

    NE Sicily: Messina, northern 2/3 of Catania, northern half of Enna
    SE Sicily: Southern 1/3 of Catania, southern half of Enna, Syracuse, Ragusa
    Central Sicily: Palermo province from Palermo eastward, Caltanissetta, most of Agrigento
    West Sicily: Palermo province from Palermo city westward, Trapani, border regions of Agrigento and Trapani

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    I think Sicily should be divided in 4 when it comes to genetics, and this is what I'd say makes sense:

    NE Sicily: Messina, northern 2/3 of Catania, northern half of Enna
    SE Sicily: Southern 1/3 of Catania, southern half of Enna, Syracuse, Ragusa
    Central Sicily: Palermo province from Palermo eastward, Caltanissetta, most of Agrigento
    West Sicily: Palermo province from Palermo city westward, Trapani, border regions of Agrigento and Trapani
    I agree with these geographical distinctions.

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