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    Whalen's Geno 2 results

    well, they finally came in, took alot longer than others, but better late than never

    -no new y snp although I am looking forward to seeing what might have been ruled out..I was/am L513
    -I did get a better resolution on my mtdna, now I am H1bd-I have no clue what, if any scholarship is attached to that haplogroup, but will start looking
    -I had some trouble transferring the Geno 2 results to my ftdna page, (probably cause my default log in is as a surname co-admin)...it finally did take, but I can find no data for the geno on my ftdna site and it did not change the terminal snp's for both y and mtdna (it should have)...does that take awhile to get 'incorporated' into the site?

    -assuming I can get my hands on the raw data, any suggestions as to where I could send it/crunch it?

    here are some pics of my results-any thoughts or feedback is very welcome

    MEW mt & y dna haplogroups.jpgMEW homid ancestry.jpgMEW pop percent.jpgMEW UK & German ref pop.jpg

    Mike

    these results should also reflect several lines of the Vance grp 2 lines and also the 3 other surname NPE's I have
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
    23&me=L21+
    E.A.= S21-, S26-, S28-, S29-, S68-
    Geno 2 (N.G.P.) H1bd+

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    Well, it seems the raw data got transfered from Geno to to my FTdna page...at least I am assuming the following is some of that info

    -this batch of info is for SNP's tested in Geno 2...NG said correctly that my terminal group is L513, but I am wondering, were any of the markers found in L513 tested in this bunch as well? I am afraid I have not been paying attention the last several months and am unsure what they are...there were like 6-8 I think but I also dont know if Geno 2 tested some of them....in any case, here is the raw data, if anyone can squeeze it for a bit of info, I would be grateful


    Your Haplogroup Tests Taken
    R-L21 CTS10168+, CTS10362+, CTS10834+, CTS109+, CTS11358+, CTS11468+, CTS11575+, CTS11726+, CTS11985+, CTS12478+, CTS125+, CTS12632+, CTS1996+, CTS2134+, CTS2664+, CTS3063+, CTS3135+, CTS3331+, CTS3358+, CTS3431+, CTS3536+, CTS3575+, CTS3654+, CTS3662+, CTS3868+, CTS3996+, CTS4244+, CTS4364+, CTS4368+, CTS4437+, CTS4443+, CTS4740+, CTS5318+, CTS5457+, CTS5532+, CTS5577+, CTS5884+, CTS6135+, CTS623+, CTS6383+, CTS6800+, CTS6907+, CTS7400+, CTS7659+, CTS7922+, CTS7933+, CTS8243+, CTS8591+, CTS8665+, CTS8728+, CTS8980+, CTS9828+, F1046+, F115+, F1209+, F1302+, F1320+, F1329+, F1704+, F1714+, F1753+, F1767+, F1794+, F180+, F2048+, F2075+, F211+, F212+, F2142+, F2155+, F2302+, F2402+, F2587+, F2688+, F2710+, F2837+, F29+, F295+, F2985+, F2993+, F3111+, F313+, F3136+, F33+, F332+, F3335+, F344+, F3556+, F356+, F359+, F3692+, F378+, F4+, F47+, F506+, F556+, F63+, F640+, F647+, F652+, F671+, F719+, F82+, F83+, F93+, L11+, L132+, L15+, L150+, L151+, L16+, L21+, L23+, L265+, L278+, L350+, L388+, L389+, L407+, L468+, L470+, L471+, L478+, L482+, L483+, L498+, L500+, L502+, L506+, L51+, L513+, L52+, L566+, L585+, L721+, L747+, L752+, L754+, L761+, L768+, L773+, L774+, L779+, L781+, L82+, M139+, M168+, M173+, M207+, M235+, M269+, M294+, M343+, M415+, M42+, M45+, M526+, M89+, M94+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P14+, P141+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P166+, P187+, P207+, P225+, P226+, P228+, P229+, P230+, P232+, P233+, P235+, P236+, P237+, P238+, P240+, P242+, P243+, P244+, P245+, P25+, P280+, P281+, P282+, P283+, P284+, P285+, P286+, P295+, P297+, P310+, P312+, PAGES00083+, PF1016+, PF1029+, PF1031+, PF1040+, PF1046+, PF1061+, PF1092+, PF1097+, PF110+, PF1203+, PF1269+, PF1276+, PF15+, PF192+, PF210+, PF212+, PF223+, PF234+, PF258+, PF2591+, PF2593+, PF2599+, PF2600+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2615+, PF2624+, PF263+, PF2631+, PF2643+, PF272+, PF2745+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2749+, PF2770+, PF278+, PF292+, PF316+, PF325+, PF342+, PF500+, PF5465+, PF5466+, PF5468+, PF5471+, PF5851+, PF5853+, PF5854+, PF5865+, PF5869+, PF5871+, PF5882+, PF5886+, PF5887+, PF5888+, PF5953+, PF5956+, PF5957+, PF5964+, PF5965+, PF5982+, PF6007+, PF601+, PF6063+, PF6091+, PF6145+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6250+, PF6263+, PF6265+, PF6270+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6404+, PF6409+, PF6411+, PF6424+, PF6425+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6438+, PF6443+, PF6463+, PF6494+, PF6495+, PF6498+, PF6500+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6509+, PF6524+, PF667+, PF719+, PF720+, PF725+, PF779+, PF796+, PF803+, PF815+, PF821+, PF840+, PF844+, PF892+, PF937+, PF951+, PF954+, PF970+, s10+, s3+, V186+, V189+, V205+, V52+, V9+, YSC0000067+, YSC0000072+, YSC0000075+, YSC0000082+, YSC0000166+, YSC0000176+, YSC0000179+, YSC0000182+, YSC0000186+, YSC0000191+, YSC0000194+, YSC0000201+, YSC0000203+, YSC0000205+, YSC0000207+, YSC0000213+, YSC0000219+, YSC0000224+, YSC0000225+, YSC0000227+, YSC0000230+, YSC0000232+, YSC0000233+, YSC0000251+, YSC0000269+, YSC0000270+, YSC0000279+, YSC0000288+, YSC0000294+, Z249+, Z290+, L1333-, L159.2-, L193-, L577-, L705-, M126-, M153-, M160-, M18-, M222-, M37-, M65-, M73-, P107-, P66-, SRY2627-, U106-, U152-, U198-


    HMMMMM.....
    - I just checked for my MTdna, which did get a much better resolution from the Geno 2 package and I dont think this is the info dump-FTdna has me as H from a old basic test, Geno has me as H1bd...is this the data that tells the geno results?
    HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRS
    A16129G T16187C C16189T T16223C G16230A T16278C C16311T

    if these are not the raw data from Geno 2 (via FTdna), then where the devil do I find it on my ftnda site

    thanks for any help

    mike
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
    23&me=L21+
    E.A.= S21-, S26-, S28-, S29-, S68-
    Geno 2 (N.G.P.) H1bd+

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    You have to download the Geno 2.0 CSV file to see your mtDNA data. Your raw data do not show up on your myFTDNA pages anywhere. Go to your Geno 2.0 Profile and click on "Expert Options". From there you can download the CSV file of your raw results. The mtDNA results have "mt" in the chromosome column (at least, I think it's called the chromosome column - I'm going from memory since I am on a different computer right now and not looking at my own results).

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    Thanks rms2! it gave me 4 files, all, autosomal, y and mt
    now to start figuring it all out !



    Mike
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
    23&me=L21+
    E.A.= S21-, S26-, S28-, S29-, S68-
    Geno 2 (N.G.P.) H1bd+

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    I hope I have read this right-I checked my geno 2 file against the known or suspected SNP's beneath L513-last count I had from MikeWWW's work was 15

    so out of 15 'SONS' of L513...

    -Geno 2 does not test for 6 of them L1333, L192, L193, L69.5, L908, L909

    -of the 10 it does test for, these are my results

    P66 GG MEANS - (FROM ANOTHER TEST)
    L577 GG MEANS - (FROM ANOTHER TEST)
    L705 TT MEANS - (FROM ANOTHER TEST)
    L706 AA ?
    L9 CC ?
    L10 CC ?
    CTS3087 GG ?
    CTS6621 TT ?
    CTS6942 GG ?
    CTS11744 GG ?

    so the geno test has given me results for 7 new SNP's that are meaningful to me (cause I had a la cart tested 3 others)! YAY
    ...dont know if I am positive or negative for them, I cant remember off hand where to find the derived/ancestoral info (anyone know?) but regardless of how they turn out, it tells me more than what I knew before and i might get my asterisk back (or a new terminal snp, but I doubt that)

    so the short strokes for any other L513 guy out there, if L513 is all you have tested for, Geno 2 will give you the results of 10 more SNP's
    ...good luck boys!

    Mike
    Last edited by MikeWhalen; 01-18-2014 at 01:30 AM. Reason: added more 'sons' of 513
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
    23&me=L21+
    E.A.= S21-, S26-, S28-, S29-, S68-
    Geno 2 (N.G.P.) H1bd+

    Whalen/Phelan DNA Surname Project
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    Need some help guys...

    after going over my Geno 2 data, it seems that there were posibly 7 SNPs that were tested in it that could be relevant to a L513 guy

    L706 AA ?
    L9 CC ?
    L10 CC ?
    CTS3087 GG ?
    CTS6621 TT ?
    CTS6942 GG ?
    CTS11744 GG ?

    after looking around, I found ISOGG, SNP Index ( http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNA_SNP_Index.html )to try to find out if I had a new terminal SNP---I needed to find out if my GG's and TT's were derived or ancestoral

    I'm not completly sure what 'G->A' means, other than when, in this case, a G becomes an A, that is the mutation and means you are + for it

    so for example, when it says...
    CTS3087 R1b1a2a1a2c1b4 14655169 G->A
    because I have a GG and not an A, I am negative for that SNP?

    It turns out, the SNP index did not have these 3 SNP's in it, so I still dont know if I am + or -
    CTS6621 TT ?
    CTS6942 GG ?
    CTS11744 GG ?

    It did have these 3, and I believe the results means I am negative for them...
    L9 CC
    L10 CC
    CTS3087 GG

    L9 R1b (Private) 22157163 C->T
    L10 R1b (Private) 22157324 C->T
    CTS3087 R1b1a2a1a2c1b4 14655169 G->A

    BUT

    It seems I might be + for

    L706 AA ?

    L706.2 R1b1a2a1a2c1b3 3436218 G->A

    you can see I have an A when it should be a G

    to make it more interesting, I have been tested - for L705.2 in an FTDNA a la cart test, but dont the Geno results say I am + for L705.2 as well
    L705 TT
    L705.2 R1b1a2a1a2c1b3a 3436215 G->T

    I rather suspect I am actually negative for both these and I am just misunderstanding the nomenclature of the G->T stuff

    anyway, I think I have presented all the raw data needed, any help would be appreciated

    Mike
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
    23&me=L21+
    E.A.= S21-, S26-, S28-, S29-, S68-
    Geno 2 (N.G.P.) H1bd+

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    That's an interesting situation. If FtDNA is a correct reading then you should be seeing a few false positives. If Geno2 calls are correct then you lone - for L705.2 from FtDNA is incorrect. Since both SNP very close maybe that has an affect on the results. I would ask FtDNA about this one.

    MJost
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    Watterson USA GD1/67 & GD3/111, *5508+. GD1ís fatherís sister-23andme pred. 3rd Cous w/ 0.91% DNA shared-3 seg. Largest on Chr1 w/non-Euro admix affirms my NPE paternal Watterson line via aDNA & YDNA. A 2nd pred. 4th cous has same DKA b. 1840's Georgia and MDKA d 1703 IOM. 3rd Cousin FtDNA FF is from the Watterson Ala. *5538+ b. IOM w/ GD6/67 & GD8/111 -SGD3. FGC5539+ a Scot-Ross GD13/111 -SGD8

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    Thanks Mark
    Does that mean you think I have understood the 'G>T' nomenclature correctly? thats the part that is worrying me and it is of course the core of the issue
    If I have it right, I will certainly email FTdna about it

    Mike

    Quote Originally Posted by MJost View Post
    That's an interesting situation. If FtDNA is a correct reading then you should be seeing a few false positives. If Geno2 calls are correct then you lone - for L705.2 from FtDNA is incorrect. Since both SNP very close maybe that has an affect on the results. I would ask FtDNA about this one.

    MJost
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
    23&me=L21+
    E.A.= S21-, S26-, S28-, S29-, S68-
    Geno 2 (N.G.P.) H1bd+

    Whalen/Phelan DNA Surname Project
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    well, I sent the following email to FTdna today, hopefully they will be able to let me know which results are accurate

    "There seems to be a conflict between my previous Y L705.2- results I got from FTdna via a la cart testing a few years ago (ancestral), and the results I recently got from my Geno 2 . which shows derived!
    Geno 2 has me as L705.2 TT when the mutation for it (derived) is G>T and L706.2 AA where the derived mutation is G>T

    If I understand the mutation charts I got from ISOGG, one of the tests has to be wrong...either the a la cart FTdna for L705.2 or the recent Geno 2
    This is quite important to me as it will determine my actual terminal SNP so I appreciate your help with this

    Mike"
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
    23&me=L21+
    E.A.= S21-, S26-, S28-, S29-, S68-
    Geno 2 (N.G.P.) H1bd+

    Whalen/Phelan DNA Surname Project
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