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    Iberomaurasians and Proto-Afroasiatic

    It was shown recently that an Iberomaurasian-like North African population contributed to the genetics of the Natufians. IMO, this gave a huge boost to the North African theory of Proto-Afroasiatic. Read, Ygor Coelho’s Quora answer, https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Ancien...er/Ygor-Coelho, for details. What do you think of this theory?

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    Isn't the IAM culture of the Maghreb older than PAA? Also IAM ancestry isn't substantial in most of the major modern Afro-Asiatic speakers/descendants.I think PAA originated in Sudan or Southern Egypt with a population that was probably similar to the Natufians with minor Dinka-like admixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Isn't the IAM culture of the Maghreb older than PAA? Also IAM ancestry isn't substantial in most of the major modern Afro-Asiatic speakers/descendants.I think PAA originated in Sudan or Southern Egypt with a population that was probably similar to the Natufians with minor Dinka-like admixture.
    There's a lot of chronological overlap between the Iberomaurasians and Proto-Afroasiatic. The Iberomaurasian culture was between 22000 B. C. and 11000 B. C. Proto-Afroasiatic was spoken between 20000 B. C. and 10000 B. C.
    Regardless, I said that the North African DNA in the Natufians was "Iberomaurasian-like", not exactly Iberomaurasian.
    I and Ygor do believe that Proto-Afroasiatic was spoken in Egypt, North Sudan or Libya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo Canedo View Post
    There's a lot of chronological overlap between the Iberomaurasians and Proto-Afroasiatic. The Iberomaurasian culture was between 22000 B. C. and 11000 B. C. Proto-Afroasiatic was spoken between 20000 B. C. and 11000 B. C.
    Regardless, I said that the North African DNA in the Natufians was "Iberomaurasian-like", not exactly Iberomaurasian.
    I and Ygor do believe that Proto-Afroasiatic was spoken in Egypt, North Sudan or Libya.
    I believe Agamemnon, our resident linguist who's an expert on AA languages, estimated date much closer, or even after, 10000BC for Proto-AA. I suggest you search for his excellent posts on AA languages or PM him directly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    I believe Agamemnon, our resident linguist who's an expert on AA languages, estimated date much closer, or even after, 10000BC for Proto-AA. I suggest you search for his excellent posts on AA languages or PM him directly

    Oops, my lower limit for Proto-Afroasiatic was 10000 B. C. I made a typo, that I've now corrected. Could you, please, edit the quote?
    Regadless, I prefer 15000 BC, as a midterm. IMO, the Omotic languages are too divergent for a 10000 BC or later date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    I believe Agamemnon, our resident linguist who's an expert on AA languages, estimated date much closer, or even after, 10000BC for Proto-AA. I suggest you search for his excellent posts on AA languages or PM him directly
    Another thing that hurt that theory was the recent discovery that an Iberomaurasian-like North African population contributed to the Natufians, not the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo Canedo View Post
    Another thing that hurt that theory was the recent discovery that an Iberomaurasian-like North African population contributed to the Natufians, not the other way around.
    Not necessarily, no one even knows whether Natufian were really Proto/Early-AA, let alone which earlier group contributed to their language. The only one here qualified enough to have an expert opinion is Aga

    Edit: Just to make things clear, I'm not saying I disagree with the hypothesis, but the link you posted contains absolutely no analysis on linguistics
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo Canedo View Post
    Another thing that hurt that theory was the recent discovery that an Iberomaurasian-like North African population contributed to the Natufians, not the other way around.
    True but Natufians can be modeled something like 70/75 Dzudzuana and the rest Iberomaurasian. Most of their ancestry came from the east if that has something to do with the language they spoke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Not necessarily, no one even knows whether Natufian were really Proto/Early-AA, let alone which earlier group contributed to their language. The only one here qualified enough to have an expert opinion is Aga

    Edit: Just to make things clear, I'm not saying I disagree with the hypothesis, but the link you posted contains absolutely no analysis on linguistics
    Thing is, a 10000 BC or later date would probably require a Levantine location for Proto-Afroasiatic. That theory was hurt by that discovery.

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