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    Me vs samples leading up to the Iron Age:

    Distance to: Jovialis
    7.16297424 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
    7.54746315 R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
    9.30852835 ScythianMoldova_SCY300
    10.01049949 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
    11.09522420 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305
    11.65650033 I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
    13.15944908 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    14.42027739 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
    14.50908681 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    14.54204937 R850_Iron_Age_Ardea
    15.67710432 I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    16.04018080 Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge
    16.07932213 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    16.24442366 I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
    16.48781671 I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
    16.72623389 I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    16.80543960 I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
    17.21671281 Scythian_SCY311
    17.43896213 ASH068_Iron_Age1
    17.57095330 I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
    18.28260102 I1632_AR1/46_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia
    18.41580300 I2495_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta
    18.45841542 I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
    18.70439788 R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    18.81172241 I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2




    Me vs just the Iron Age Italian samples:



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    Cretan Greeks vs 647 ancient samples; top 100:

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    The Sardinian pre-print samples are out. The original had calls for 43 samples, but 70 appear in the ENA database. Below are the ones that aren't listed in the pre-print. Some are obviously female, so I didn't list them. Please note that some of these go to the Medieval Period:

    ORC002 = I2a1a1a1
    COR002 = I2a1b
    VIL007 = J1a2b
    LON003 = G2a2b2a
    AMC014 = G2a2a1a2a1
    MSR002 = G2a2a1a
    VIL011 = R1b1a1a2a (R-M269>L51>Z2111)
    SUA007 = R-V88
    SNN004 = R-M269
    SID005 = I2a2a
    SNN002 = R-P312+ Z272+
    SNN001 = E1b1b1a
    SID006 = I2a2a
    NOE001 = G2a2a1a2a1
    NOE002 = R1

    We will have to wait until the paper gets release to see the dates and contexts of these samples.
    Not surprisingly, sample VIL011 is dated to 658-556 AD (Medieval).
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    There was a salmonella study done recently which included some ancient genomes. Matt on the Eurogenes blog posted some info and figures from it.

    One of the samples (ETR001) is an Imperial Roman/Late Antiquity sample from Chiusi (Tuscany), and clusters with East Mediterraneans.



    As you can see, the sample plots with Sicilians. To get your bearings, the PCA above is nearly the same PCA seen here.

    A list of all the samples examined in the salmonella study:

    MUR009 - Murzikhinsky II, Russia (6,500–6,350 calBP)
    MUR019 - Murzikhinsky II, Russia (6,490–6,320 calBP)
    IV3002 - Ipatovo 3, Russia (5,580–5,080 calBP)
    OBP001 - Oberbipp, Switzerland (5,320–5,070 calBP)
    IKI003 - Ikiztepe, Turkey (5,290–5,050 calBP)
    SUA004 - Su Asedazzu, Italy (4,300–4,010 calBP)
    MK3001 - Marinskaja 3, Russia (2,990–2,870 calBP)
    ETR001 - Chiusi, Italy (1,810–1,620 calBP)

    The Iziktepe sample is also very interesting and seems to be similar to Armenians. Iziktepe is on the Pontic littoral of Northern Anatolia: http://www.frru2.altervista.org/ARCH...%20GooAnat.jpg

    That Ipatovo 3 sample is also very interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    Not surprisingly, sample VIL011 is dated to 658-556 AD (Medieval).
    VIL _villamar samples are radiocarbon dated ranging from 800-400BCE (p15)
    VIL011 has a calBP of 2700 and a C14BP of 2600 and indeed listed in S.Fig14 as the earliest(most left) VIL sample; villamar holds a significance in bearing such early dates and being located that far internal usually the (early)phoenician sites were sofar coastal; along with the aDNA i guess this shed a new light on the punic period and prob. prime contendors of the old-berber(morocco_en/ibm.) stock in modernday sardinia
    http://www.fastionline.org/docs/FOLDER-it-2017-395.pdf

    sardinia usually holds a special place in the 'phoenician realm' as being the most 'carthago' modeld with city walls, temples and above all tophets not seen as such in baetica or sicily(xperhaps motya); monte sirai on the otherhand had two pahses 7th/6th -destruction of walls/aband.5th- and then the carthago('tophet') phase 4th/3rd; i do wonder at what criteria the early phase of monte sirai was determined to actually be phoenician before carthago, assuming that samples from the second phase will look just like villamar unlike the published ones from the first phase

    ETR001 from 140-330AD seems to lineup with that cluster that continued into late-antiquity, yet another example, specially noteworthy since late-antiquity isnt even a real time period but a retrospective defined period based on initial minor political(and artistic) changes and yet a striking disap. of ~2/3 of the imperial stanford samples occurred in that artif. defined transition hence there ought to be an actual reason for it(apart from sampling); i guess next to the IAitalic repl. this signals also an IAetruscan repl.; samples from the republican era should be good
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    Chiusi (South-East Tuscany) was an Etruscan city, but in the Roman era was along imporant trading routes and it was near the Via Cassia and an important affluent of the tiber river.
    That's the third roman era sample that looks east-med/southern Italian-like after the two 1 century AD samples from the Marche region.
    Edit: I forgot to say outside of Latium
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariel90 View Post
    Chiusi (South-East Tuscany) was an Etruscan city, but in the Roman era was along imporant trading routes and it was near the Via Cassia and an important affluent of the tiber river.
    That's the third roman era sample that looks east-med/southern Italian-like after the two 1 century AD samples from the Marche region.
    outside of latium for sure inside of latium there were a good dozen more specially those at centocelle(villa rustica) or the via paisello, think also to remember R136, R137, R1544 and R436 fits that discription; all the rest indeed disp. without anything actually(until the 5th) changing or happening; most of the said burials are plain(low-class) 'cappuccina' tombs except those from the catacombs incl. epigraphics denoting soldiers
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    I forgot to say outside of Latium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexfritz View Post
    VIL _villamar samples are radiocarbon dated ranging from 800-400BCE (p15)
    VIL011 has a calBP of 2700 and a C14BP of 2600 and indeed listed in S.Fig14 as the earliest(most left) VIL sample; villamar holds a significance in bearing such early dates and being located that far internal usually the (early)phoenician sites were sofar coastal; along with the aDNA i guess this shed a new light on the punic period and prob. prime contendors of the old-berber(morocco_en/ibm.) stock in modernday sardinia
    http://www.fastionline.org/docs/FOLDER-it-2017-395.pdf

    sardinia usually holds a special place in the 'phoenician realm' as being the most 'carthago' modeld with city walls, temples and above all tophets not seen as such in baetica or sicily(xperhaps motya); monte sirai on the otherhand had two pahses 7th/6th -destruction of walls/aband.5th- and then the carthago('tophet') phase 4th/3rd; i do wonder at what criteria the early phase of monte sirai was determined to actually be phoenician before carthago, assuming that samples from the second phase will look just like villamar unlike the published ones from the first phase

    ETR001 from 140-330AD seems to lineup with that cluster that continued into late-antiquity, yet another example, specially noteworthy since late-antiquity isnt even a real time period but a retrospective defined period based on initial minor political(and artistic) changes and yet a striking disap. of ~2/3 of the imperial stanford samples occurred in that artif. defined transition hence there ought to be an actual reason for it(apart from sampling); i guess next to the IAitalic repl. this signals also an IAetruscan repl.; samples from the republican era should be good
    Sorry, just saw this. I meant the DF27+ sample SNN002 was from the Medieval Period.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    The Roman-era samples near the city of Rome in the article "Ancient Rome: A genetic crossroads of Europe and the Mediterranean" are pretty interesting. Many of the Roman samples come out as very MENA-shifted, far closer to modern-day MENA populations than even Sicilians or Maltese, indicating that they were probably of foreign origin, like many Romans. Below is the Eurogenes K15 plot of the R38, R67, and R68 samples, which came up as MyTrueAncestry matches for me (I know that MTA is nonsense, it's just how I learned about these samples' existence). I have 23andme files for each and I want to know if it is possible to make good inferences about their ethnicities based on the plot or some other genetic tool I can do with the 23andMe file.

    Here is the plot:

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    Here is some background from the article's supplement about each sample:

    R38: "Isola Sacra necropolis
    Date Range: 1 CE - 400 CE
    Individuals: R42, R39, R37, R38, R40, R41, R43, R44, R45
    The Imperial port town of Portus Romae is located approximately 23 km southwest of Rome, and was a
    key trading center for the city during the Roman Empire. Portus was the port of Rome, and the uninhibited
    flow of goods into the metropolis, first and foremost grain, but also other vital foodstuffs, was the highest
    priority of the imperial government. The prosperity of Portus was tied up with that of the imperial city. The
    inhabitants of Portus were buried in the necropolis of Isola Sacra, which extends approximately 1.5 km
    along the road between Ostia and Portus Romae, and was in use from the 2nd to the late 3rd-early 4th
    centuries CE. People buried in the Isola Sacra were engaged in commerce and business, frequently
    themselves descended from slaves. The population, those sections of it that are 'visible', was, or appears,
    relatively egalitarian, in comparison with other Italian towns. There is a missing 'tranche' in the social
    hierarchy, at the top, where one would expect to locate an aristocracy of office and social prestige (33).
    Over 2000 individuals have been recovered to-date from the necropolis and are currently stored at the
    Museo delle Civiltà in Rome. The bioarchaeology of the odontoskeletal collection of Isola Sacra was
    intensely investigated and a number of contributions has been published, exploring demography (139, 140),
    diet (34, 95, 141, 142), occupational markers (143), stress of the infant segment (144–146), and
    paleopathology (19, 147–149)."

    R67 & R68: "ANAS (Azienda Nazionale Autonoma delle Strada)
    Date range: 100 - 300 CE
    Individuals: R66, R67, R68, R69, R70, R71, R72, R73
    The ANAS necropolis is situated in a southern suburb of Rome and was uncovered during road building
    (by the Azienda Nazionale Autonoma delle Strada, ANAS) in the area of the present day Acilia (Rome).
    The necropolis consists of 8 individuals, mostly adults, and is dated to the II-III century CE. The graveyard
    was associated with a small rural center of farmers and possibly with a nearby villa. Paleodietary analysis
    of the inhumated has been previously studied (95). The human osteological material is currently stored at
    the Museo delle Civiltà in Rome."

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