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Thread: Ancient Rome: A genetic crossroads of Europe and the Mediterranean

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmandoR1b View Post
    Thanks, I will have a look tomorrow..

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    R107 is V13>L241>Z38770*

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Z38770/
    Last edited by Keqa; 11-09-2019 at 10:32 PM.

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    Cool, the J2 clades found in the Merovingian site were also found in this paper https://j2-m172.info/2015/04/three-j...tional-period/ : J2a-M67,J2a-M67(possibly M92),J2b-M102(possibly L283) . Their further origin possibly ranges from Neolithic/Bronze Age Balkan/Anatolian seafarers to greek colonies of Italy,Balkans,Anatolia according to the Supplementary material reading,matches and seeing where they plot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    R19, Ripabianca di Monterado 5345-5221 BCE, belongs to J2a-M67* https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M67*/

    R17, Ripabianca di Monterado 5234-5223 BCE, belongs to J2a-M67* https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M67*/

    Against all odds, this group of Neolithic farmers must of come deep from the Near East, probably from around the Fertile Crescent.

    Hold up I am relooking at R17 definitely not under L26.
    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    Can you re-check R17?
    R17; 5324-5223 BC; Ripabianca di Monterado; Neolithic; J2a2-PF5008>L581>Z37823>PF5000>pre-Y29673

    R17 has 2 derived and 11 ancestral SNPs at Y29673 level, so he could be pre-Y29673.

    Y30621+ C>T (1 read)

    Y30635+ G>A (1 read)

    Even if these two are false positives, there is no doubt about upstream level PF5000, with 16 derived and only 1 ancestral SNP (false negative most likely).

    There is no doubt this clade originated somewhere in the territory of modern Iran or in it's vicinity, so it had to be heavy in Iran_N ancestry, and that could account for an elevated Iran_N levels in these neolithic guys compared to other farmers from Europe and Anatolia. Quote from the paper:

    Similar to early farmers from other parts of Europe, Neolithic individuals from central Italy project near Anatolian farmers in PCA (13, 14, 17–19) (Fig. 2A). However, ADMIXTURE reveals that, in addition to ancestry from northwestern Anatolia farmers, all of the Neolithic individuals that we studied carry a small amount of another component that is found at high levels in Neolithic Iranian farmers and Caucasus hunter-gatherers (CHG) (Fig. 2B and fig. S9). This contrasts with contemporaneous central European and Iberian populations who carry farmer ancestry predominantly from northwestern Anatolia (fig. S12). Furthermore, qpAdm modeling suggests that Neolithic Italian farmers can be modeled as a two-way mixture of ~5% local hunter-gatherer ancestry and ~95% ancestry of Neolithic farmers from central Anatolia or northern Greece (table S7), who also carry additional CHG (or Neolithic Iranian) ancestry (fig. S12) (14). These findings point to different or additional source populations involved in the Neolithic transition in Italy compared to central and western Europe.
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    Interesting to see such a rare subclade represented.
    MDKA: Robert Boulay, b. 1631, Réveillon, Orne, France
    Y-DNA: R1b-U152 > L2 > Z367 > Z34 > Z33 > BY164497> BY3604

    Maternal Y-DNA: J2a-M67 > Z1847 > Y4036 > Z467 > Z447> L210

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    R1551, Monterotondo 55-211 CE (Imperial Rome), belongs to J2a-Z7671>Z30677* https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z30677/
    My Y Line: J2a-L210>Z489>Z482>Y15222

    My Maternal Y: R1b-U152>Z36>Y156527

    Other Y lines Confirmed: 3x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: J2a-S25258>SK1336

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keqa View Post
    R107 is V13>L241>Z38770*

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Z38770/
    Excellent, he shares L241 with the North Albanian cluster PH2180

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    R17; 5324-5223 BC; Ripabianca di Monterado; Neolithic; J2a2-PF5008>L581>Z37823>PF5000>pre-Y29673

    R17 has 2 derived and 11 ancestral SNPs at Y29673 level, so he could be pre-Y29673.

    Y30621+ C>T (1 read)

    Y30635+ G>A (1 read)

    Even if these two are false positives, there is no doubt about upstream level PF5000, with 16 derived and only 1 ancestral SNP (false negative most likely).

    There is no doubt this clade originated somewhere in the territory of modern Iran or in it's vicinity, so it had to be heavy in Iran_N ancestry, and that could account for an elevated Iran_N levels in these neolithic guys compared to other farmers from Europe and Anatolia. Quote from the paper:
    I was even rechecking R19 and got two positives under S11842 would you like to check it out? It would seem rather impossible as the sample has no calls on Y4036 or Z467. Plus Z6271 is associated with Bronze Age Anatolia and SK1336 first ever found in this paper is quite Eastern shifted.
    My Y Line: J2a-L210>Z489>Z482>Y15222

    My Maternal Y: R1b-U152>Z36>Y156527

    Other Y lines Confirmed: 3x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: J2a-S25258>SK1336

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    Y-DNA subclade: R2a2-P267 (xR2a2a-FGC13203, xR2a2b2-Y23623, xR2a2b1-Y8763) - Either R2a2-P267* or R2a2b-Y12100*

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    Y23623: (1 ancestral)

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    mtDNA Extras: 310.1T 1891G 2775G 3106- 4430A 4458A 4463A 7927- 8905- 8907.1C 8930A 8954A 9101C 9181C 9185G 9200C
    Last edited by aaronbee2010; 11-09-2019 at 11:25 PM.
    YFull: YF72440 (FTDNA - IN41220)

    Ancestral Haplos (Punjabi Jatt):
    * Father: R2-SK2142 > Y1379 > Y1383* (xZ6135) - M5a1a-G9064A (185G)
    * Maternal Uncle: R1b-Z2109 > Y14416 > Y84821 - U7a3a-A9852G > G6150A > C15433T
    * MGMs MGF: R1a-Z93 > Y7 - ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    I was even rechecking R19 and got two positives under S11842 would you like to check it out? It would seem rather impossible as the sample has no calls on Y4036 or Z467. Plus Z6271 is associated with Bronze Age Anatolia and SK1336 first ever found in this paper is quite Eastern shifted.
    R19; 5345-5221 BC; Ripabianca di Monterado; Neolithic; J2a1a-M67>Z1847>Y4036>Z467>(pre-)S11842* (xZ6271,Y15913)

    S11842 level:

    S25258+ C>T (2 reads)

    FGC21348+ G>C (1 read)

    Y37989- G>C (1 read)

    I think these calls are legit, since there are no contradicting calls:

    M67>Y133426- (14 ancestral SNPs)
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    M67>Z1847>Z7671>V2639- (17 ancestral SNPs)

    M67>Z1847>Z7671>CTS900- (1 ancestral SNP)
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    M67>Z1847>Z500- (2 ancestral SNPs)
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    M67>Z1847>Y4036>Z28547>Y17067- (11 ancestral SNPs)

    M67>Z1847>Y4036>Z467>FGC45722>Y113289- (11 ancestral SNPs)

    M67>Z1847>Y4036>Z467>FGC45722>FGC45713- (15 ancestral SNPs)

    M67>Z1847>Y4036>Z467>L210- (21 ancestral SNP)

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